Natasja Fox breaks down the balance of detoxing, exercise and life

Podcast Highlights

 

6:08 - Reset Program

10:19 - Colonic Hydrotherapy

13:28 - Drawing out Heavy Metals out of your system

25:11 - Supply the body with what it needs

46:41 - Maintaining your Circadian Rhythm

 

 

Paul

Hey guys Pauly here, thank you very much once again for jumping on board and listening to another episode of My Wellness Wishlist I have a great number of people who are very close to me that do suffer from sleeping disorders and the topic of circadian rhythms has become quite an interesting one to me, of late.  So, recently I picked up the book by Michael Brewers he's a medical doctor, sleeping doctor and a PhD in sleeping disorders, I believe.  His book is called the power of when and it's a really interesting read he splits up the entire human populace into four different circadian rhythm categories and throughout his research he’s found that if somebody is not acting appropriately within their circadian rhythm they are not operating on optimum human efficiency and this is where certain biological disorders can come up as a result.  Anyway, as I said it's a really interesting read.  I'll put the book link in the show notes and you guys can check it out yourselves, some other really interesting tidbits that come up on the topic of circadian rhythm is obviously the use of electrical equipment, electric lights, TVs, iPhones, even your modem can have a very drastic effect on your own internal clock.  So, it's important to keep this in mind especially at night time, when the sun has come down.  Another really cool thing is a detox of sorts to be able to restart your circadian rhythm is getting out of the city and into nature just like camping.  Actually say, a week-long camping trip seems to reset your circadian rhythm completely.  I may have mentioned that in a previous episode but worth mentioning again, I say.  Now, this is a really cool study that I didn't know about in 2013 there was a study that actually tested the circadian rhythms in fruits and vegetables, so apparently different fruits and vegetables will produce different amounts of nutrients, antioxidants according to the time of day, it makes complete sense we're all part of the same organism.  So, why wouldn't I?   Alright guys enough of me rabbiting on about fruits, vegetables, nutrients, sleeping disorders, blue lights, orange lights, etc.., etc… We have for the very first time a guest for the very second time her name is Natasja Fox she is one very cool young lady, incredibly knowledgeable about traditional chinese medicine, as well as functional medicine and nutrition.  Not only is the sheer amount of knowledge impressive in this woman's head, it's the way you communicate it.  She's very charismatic person and quite frankly I just wanted to get her on the show to have another yarn, for those of you in the United States listening to this yarn is bogan for talk and bogan is Australian for redneck kind of.  We go through a plethora of topics Natasja and myself including food energy systems, exercise and her opinion on what mistakes are currently being made in today's world, what mistakes she personally has made in her own practice of exercise and how we can then rebalance this out.  We also go through detoxification strategies.  She has hosted a number of detox retreats, so to speak and they are some really, really cool reset patterns that a lot of people can learn a great deal about.  Alrighty guys I'm looking forward to introducing the Natasja Fox to y'all.  I hope you have a great time listening to her abundance of knowledge and her great banter.  Natasja how are you?

 

Natasja

I’m good mate, how are you doing?

 

Paul

So good, I have an announcement to make Natasja Fox you are the very first person to be invited back to my wellness wish list for another interview (sings) amazing work, so I was that impressed by your enormous nuggets of wisdom that you shared with us in episode 37 I believe was and I've told so many people about it.  I've had my students and my clients come to see you and within enormously positive results.  I think you have a very, very succinct knowledge base and you are very practical in your explanations and your communication of it, so thank you, thank you for existing. 

 

Natasja

Thanks Paul

 

Paul

Natasja I brought you back on because I just wanted to talk to you more, really.  You just finished a reset program at your clinic with a great deal of people that’s basically, do you want to explain what the premise behind that reset program was?   

 

Natasja

Yeah well, I've been interested in detoxification protocols and systems since I was a teenager but I started studying traditional chinese medicine where those two didn't overlay so much, so these two different systems that I really enjoyed but the more I studied Chinese medicine the more that I found detoxification practices and were very draining or very cold nature and it didn't go well with my understanding of health and well-being from a chinese medical perspective 

 

Paul

Gotcha

 

Natasja

And so I continued to search through, you know streams of information and try different programs and juice programs, and fasting protocols and colon enema boards and coffee enemas. I'm doing a dunce like herbal supplementation, detoxes when fighting training took all sorts of different ways, in which you can purify and cleanse your body but I wanted to really make something that encompass the chinese medical realm as well as more of a western naturopathic sort of realm

 

Paul

Gotcha

 

Natasja

I used to do a regular five-day fast on cold press juice with enemas and colonics 

 

Paul

How regularly would you do that? 

 

Natasja

I was doing it at least once year, so more than 10 years and I would find that afterwards I would, my skin would be better, my energy was better, my sleep was really good but the thing that never got better from these programs was my gut.  Actually my IBS symptoms would maybe even become more inflamed after these programs and then I took my partner who is also a chinese medical doctor with me on one of these programs and he was like he pulled, he was like, there's no way that I'm doing this because you know taking benzonite clay and all these you know, cold juices is completely against, you know my idea of health and well-being, what not I think of that that, yeah, that's right.  How do we do this in, which we can heal the gut and support, you know the adrenal system, was going through a fasting process, which I found a lot of benefit from.  So, we put together our own traditional chinese medical based kind of detoxification protocol, which is a warm colon hydrotherapy everyday. People will sit in a fire infrared sauna but not until sweating but just to keep the body warm because your body best temperature drops when you fast.  They receive acupuncture every day to, you know work on the central nervous system.  They also receive foot massage or shoulder massage. The people can just really drop in, a lot of people would sleep during the program, will come in and just sleep that out and the whole time we supply them with a variation of different bone broth, so chicken and beef, we've got deer antler, we also have a vegetable shitake mushroom and quarter steps broth, and then they have like a ginger cinnamon lemon tea that we made, that's very warming and metric for the system and they do a 500 ml cold press juice as well for a lot of, and we're very big on supporting the system through mineral therapy, so it's a lot of minerals.  And people will say it at th end of the program, I thought this was going to be so hard and have so many cravings but I've had not and we've been running programs for nearly two years and that is what everyone says they're like, I've been trying to keep dairy or coffee or sugar for so long and now I don't even crave it, it's really incredible. 

 

Paul

It's so cool like it sounds like an amazing system I have a few things that I want to ask you in terms of the colonic hydrotherapy, do you use open or closed system, is it? 

 

Natasja

We use an open system, I've never tried to close purely because I was never so comfortable with someone else shoving a speculum up my bum and that's like that's a personal preference I was actually sexually abused by my doctor when I was 18 during my first paps smear and 16 I've had a lot of difficulty with trusting people with that part of my body.  So, for me I feel much more relaxed being able to use the speculum myself.

 

Paul

Yeah, sure, in terms of like health, potential health risks associated with it, is there, can you share a little bit about what there may or may not be?

 

Natasja

You wouldn't be doing, you don't do colon hydrotherapy we’ve hadrecent abdominal surgery, she got severe internal haemorrhoids if there’s a bleeding from the colon, you know, crohn's disease, you don't do this but, you know you don't know doing it when you're pregnant, I don't recommend you doing it while you’re still menstruating,  when you're in the middle of like a hike or viral infection, so there are contraindications with colonic hydrotherapy but for most people it is extremely beneficial to be able to start to slowly lubricate the lining of the build-up of a, of either bulk store matter or all even bacteria and build up clock within the intestines which I've had people show me photos stuff that comes out of their body and plaque exists it looks like the lining of your intestines.

 

Paul

I for one, I actually tried a colonic hydrotherapy, actually a couple of months ago.  I think there and it was something I was really curious about and I guess I have a couple of questions about it that I'd love to ask and that's, its quite a, it's quite an imposing experience 

 

Natasja

It’s something stuck up your ass

 

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like let's let's call a spade, a spade, okay, you gotta hold up there you know and I suppose do you have any words of, you have any words of kind of comfort, support emotionally that you could offer people that are going to embark on a journey like this 

 

Natasja

You are, you are, you're barking up the wrong tree there my friend I'm a double areas and I'm not very tactic.  I don't have much tactics and don't provide regulations to support people

 

Paul

You’re justlike stick it in the lube back out there 

 

Natasja

I’m like just like put that thing up your ass and get you in there, flush that out.

 

Paul

Okay, let's move right along shall we, I do what I did want to attach on the infrared source because I've been investigating this a lot and I've been floated with the possibility of, you know like having a regular experience in infrared sauna.  I know that there is so much associated with detoxification effects of it when it comes to drawing heavy metals out of your system amongst many, many other attributes associated with that.  What else is there that you got, that you have done your research with? 

 

Natasja

Oh, look I didn't know that they drew heavy metals out of your system.  I haven't seen that sort of evidence and I've heard that it was quite difficult to get metals out of your system, certain metals amount apparently aluminium moves in and out quickly that there are metals that can be very difficult to get out because this board within fatty tissues in the body and that's a whole lot of discussion within itself, metal toxicity is right in this day and age until a lot of, a lot of people are getting undiagnosed metal toxicity purely because it's so hard to find that means you're doing a biopsy on the brain or your bone marrow, you're not going to know it's there because it's not sitting around in the serum and so the only way to accurately, what I've heard from Geneva lab in in Germany was that you actually have to give the push a metal key later into your body through a, an IV injection and that actually draws metals, all metals into your bloodstream and then you can test to see what metals are present

 

Paul

Wow, I have done some research elsewhere but I get the name of the person, the authority escapes me, I’ll find out who it was I’ll put in the show notes and I also said already is yeah you can

 

Natasja

Yeah, I’m interested.  Fire infrared is the the frequency of fire for it is what we received from the sun, so it's according to nature’s principles that this is a beneficial heating system for our body and urge, chinese medicine, we use a yin-yang treatment of acupuncture and moxibustion therapy. Warming is a huge part in traditional chinese medicine keeping the body warmer than where, we're mammals, we you know, existing a body-based temperature of around 37 degrees, we just tend to kind of figure that keeping control and regulating your body based temperature has a huge relationship with your metabolism, your ability to be able to dictate ph levels within your body, to be able to, you know a fight off viral and bacterial infections, it’s massive.  Especially our younger generation and I think melbourne specifically people don't dress for the weather appropriately, you need to go around in winter and people around are in thongs or unless you're a who's that fellow that you went in deep cold, cold laughing with?

 

Pau

Wim Hof

 

Natasja

Wim, I think his breathing exercises that was good, unless you're Wim Hoff and you actually know how to increase your body's temperature intelligently. 

 

Paul

I don't know if you listen to the interview that I had with him but like he it just by using the power of his mind he was able to raise their body temperature what a freak ey

 

Natasja

Amazing, amazing and I love that he's doing, you know, their scientific evidence to be able to back what he's doing because we know about people have known about this ability to change your body based temperature with probably on work and with different asanas with mind control for centuries but it's not valid until its proven scientifically but I'm glad that works being done.

 

Paul

It is

 

Natasja

You know, when you're fasting, your body base temperature does decline and you're much more vulnerable to a viral bacterial infection and we don't want that so we try to keep people warm and not to the point of sweating because that's when you lose your essence and your, which gene makes essence in traditional chinese medicine.  So we're about putting the oil back into the oil burner, so the flame burn brightly so that's what essence is and so you lose essence when, you knowsemen is essence, blood is essence, vaginal secretions they’re essence, sweat is essence, tears are essence, all of these like disqus substances are essence within our body and the chinese medicine doesn't believe in excess sweating unless there is an extreme heat condition or pathogen in which you must sweat but after you sweat you then must mineralize and builds in back into your system and these are the sort of things that I find become quite extreme in many potential naturopathic detox methodology, which is extreme fasting or detox systems are very draining on the body and then they don't rebuild after that and that's what we we want to work on, so people get into the sauna they don't get the point of sweating but they hop in and out and keep the body base temperature up.

 

Paul

We live in a funny culture where we constantly feel that more is more, you know, one you know like at the concept of sweating or you know exerting is putting stress under a muscle tissue in order to grow and then we're just like, well, why would I lift 50 kilos if I can live 500 kilos, you know like there's that, there is that excessive component to the way we do this.  Why would I, why would I, you know detox and fast for one day when I can do it for 25 days, you know.  I'm sure that there's gonna be this balance that exists and from what I understand more is not necessarily more 

 

Natasja

Yeah, well I mean taking from the wisdom of Buddha who do extremely fast until the dude nearly died and I you know he's wisdom is the middle class and and taking that sort of that wisdom from Taoism and from what is a traditional chinese medicine from aryuvedic medicine these these people know how to live well and in accordance with the laws of nature and that's what we go against now we think we're so clever, we don't, we don't need to live in harmony with nature and I'm like well, look at our health outcomes with we've got a lot of money but we're not any healthier for it and our depression, you know, rights are going through the roof, why is that? We need to start looking back to living in accordance with nature and what I find valuable to examine is that our culture and western culture is very good at entry but not very good at exit, we don't know when to say goodbye to things, we don't know when to let go, it is this always this more is better, can I take more supplements, more powders, more pills, exercise more, less sleep, more work, more commerce, it's and then your body's broken by the time you're 45 

 

Paul

Spot-on, you mentioned that you were supplementing, you are having this balance of juice cleanses with bone broths can you expand upon that a little bit for us? 

 

Natasja

Well, um the broth is very high in a lot of essential amino acids 

 

Paul

Yes 

 

Natasja

And so your body, we're still supplying the body with nutrients to be able to, you know, it does has, has a high glutamine content, which is very beneficial for the gut, it's warming in nature and amino acids are also utilized in a lot of liver pathways.  So we're supplying the body what it needs for going through a process of liberating whatever is built up within your fat stores, which is what can happen for a prolonged fast, you're going to ketosis and you can you burn off fat as a source of energy.  So, we're still supplying the body what it needs to be able to process what is being liberated, otherwise people can have really negative extreme reactions when you're liberating what is being cleverly stored away in fact cells for a good reason because you think of any sort of heavy metals or other sort of toxic debris we can consider it like a sharp knife and you don't want, you know, you put your knives in the kitchen away in the knife holder 

 

Paul

Yes

 

Natasja

This is, this is what the body does it puts things away in storage where it's safer lodged in fat and once you're removing all of that fat and you're utilizing that fat as an energy source what is being stored in there is also enough been flung out into the system creating free radical damage.  So we want to protect the body by supplying a lot of vitamin C, amino acids and minerals to be able to do with that, from a very natural health resource.

 

Paul

And I suppose we're when that happens and you're not armed with the adequate and nutrient density there would be a whole bunch of emotional stuff that comes up for you as well, when that stuff gets released into your system it would manifest in emotions no?

 

Natasja

Well, this was the first reset that we had, we employed a clinical psychologist also be part of our team because yes you're a hundred percent and MP it's the real deal, this program, people you know coming and they're ready to let go of a lot of baggage and that's not just fuid retention, you know, that's like people having huge less changeovers, that they're ready, so it's really, it's an intensive program, where to be able you can't hide behind bad lifestyle choices any longer because your body prevents you from doing it and you cannot get better without making ful lifestyle choices and that sometimes requires a real psychological shift.  

 

Paul

Amazing really cool stuff and these are generally five-day reset programs?

 

Natasja

We assist people in the five days and we have at this program, we've got 11 of our clients is moving.  She's doing 21 days total liquid, liquid broth juice and we've got another client whose doing 40 days, both of them have got have, had quite severe order immune issues in the past.  Anything they would eat that would just be coming flying, you know, skin eruptions, feeling hormonal severe debilitating fatigue and they're feeling amazing on, they're feeling amazing fasting and there, and all of their symptomsare just falling, away falling away and this is, this is a classic case of less is more for some people.

 

Paul

Gotcha, gotcha, so the instance of these 5 day race programs obviously, this is to kick-start a new path, that somebody, a healthier path, a more balanced path that somebody can then continue on with. Speaking of balance, I actually, we were speaking before we went on video and you're talking about you going out with a mate just inspecting dumplings, last night, and I reckon that was just really worth bringing up on the, on the program because people need to know that it's, it's, that, that's ok, you know.  You gonna be able to go out and do that from time to time, I feel like sometimes the stress of being perfect in whatever aspect or facet of your life can cause a great deal, more stress they're just simply going out inspecting some dumplings.

 

Natasja

Well, it's the path of least resistance and it's the middle path, so my recommendation to anyone who wants, and this is what I say to reset program, is that we want to make it easy and by supplying the body what it needs from the vitamin and mineral, and essential fatty acids, and amino acid level, you supply the body with what it needs, you live in accordance with nature, you sleep eight hours a night, you remain hydrated throughout the day, you don't suffer cravings.  It should be easy and sometimes you want, you will not have to do the, you don't need to go overboard, so we have people that tend to do everything in overall.  So rather than have a glass of red wine, I'll have two bottles or rather than smashing a plate  of dumplings they're gonna take six plate of dumplings and some pork spare ribs and they're also gonna drink some 6 beers that night.  So, it's about finding your path in which you can have a blowout, it's a plate of you know, vegetarian dumplings and a couple of long tea, not occasionally rather than being on the other end of this picture, which can be and I've worked with a lot of people that are neurotic. They’re neurotic about their diet, and can I eat this, should I eat that, can I and you know and that but, you know, I can't have this because fishes now have mercury and you know, and this is being grown in this barrier, this is got electrons in its, this has got phthises, this has got salicylate in it, this has got phenols, I can't have, what can I eat?  And it creats this whole central nervous system activation around, you now, are no onger healthy because you're gonna get out your mind.  So, it's, yeah it's the path of least resistance, do what you can and then allow the body to be rehabilitated with mineral therapy so, that when you do crave food it's a craving for food that is generally good for you and when you have blowouts they're not fat.

 

Paul

Totally makes sense to me, to me the relationship that one has emotionally between themselves and their food can have such an effect on the, the impact, the nutrient, the nutrients in the food will have on their biology, so chill out a little bit

 

Natasja

Couldhave say that better myself. 

 

Paul

I want to switch gears a little bit to movement and exercise, speaking of more is more and neuroticism and doing things in excess ,what is your take on movement, what does work for you in the past, and what do you think could potentially be wrong with the movement world today? 

 

Natasja

Yeah, well I learned this firsthand to be honest.  I started practicing yoga when I was quite young and then got into long-distance running and have always been very physical orientated from age 19 and until I fell pregnant at age 28.  I was doing between two to six hours of yoga a day, like I was hardcore, was going,  you know, in and out of  doing standing yoga practices and I do two hours of really extreme exercise, and then I would then to another back bending course, I would live with, you know, yoga masters and you'll get up at two o'clock in the morning to meditation then pranayama, then three hours of asanas and it worked for me then and I love that life.  I also started a hospital in one of the poorest states in India, I was very active and it took a lot of energy, I was, you know, very much about social justice in my twenties and was, you know studying a lot and then I felt pregnant and I couldn't keep up with all the demands of running a non-profit hospital in the poorest state in India and keeping up with all the exams that I had and my yoga practice, all of it and like I was saying we're very good in society of entries but we're not very good at exits.  So, for me I had to really let go of parties living in Fitzroy and all my friends are still kind of going to reggae parties and I couldn’t go, I couldn’t go out late at night, so, I couldn't do anything and it was all the sudden everything to stop.  And after I gave birth to my son in 2008 a few months later like I was still breastfeeding I started commencing my yoga practice again.  Back in two hours a day, six days a week and my teacher at the time knew my body could do all of these physical complex things and it was making me absolutely exhausted and it was so hard for me to let go of that part because I was like I'm good at this and this is my current spiritual practice and this is what, you know, unites me and fulfills me and now what will I do if I can't do this but I was getting more and more exhausted until I actuallydevelop hypothyroidism and just be debilitating and severely developing chronic fatigue and have to learn the hard way just letting go all of that and started investigating more, reading more of indian texts that I started learning that traditionally when yoga master would (inaudible) of a student, when they were a teenager and they were on the early twenties.  A lot of portion of their practice was asana based, physical just like everybody thinks and this day that’s just yoga.  So, it would be very physical base and then they'll be smaller portions on breath exercises and meditation and then it would travel in these seven years cycles which correlates traditional chinese medicine these 7 year cycles that keep creaking up in these traditional medicine of art forms in which you would then start to change the proportions and percentages of these practices until over the age of 40.  It was predominantly pranayamameditation, then asana and then from age 60 onwards it was very little asanas, the physical poses and predominantly the meditation part and so it sounds like nobody told me this I teach people standing over me, going come on like do a push-up handstand, like get into that pose, like pushing me physically and it was another part of how western medicine evolves  a wonderful culture like even like yoga tradition that, you know, women who are pregnant and in their forties still pushing it out at the gym or doing a standing yoga completely against the laws of nature and it's not surprising that many of us have got, you know, debilitating fatigue.  So, what's right for the goose isn’t for the gander and we have these cycles that we know it should be missing within and done one of the things that I can offer to your listeners, if you are interested is, a text that I was, I had to read in my first year of university in chinese medicine, it's called the yellow emperor's classic of chinese medicine, of medicine so it's called the Huangdi Neijing and its a dialogue between Huangdi which was the Yellow Emperor and he's a acupuncture Qi bone and this book was written in 240 BC, so it's old and so this book is a real classic for Taoism and traditional chinese medicine and it’s a philosophy of learning how to live your life in balance and in harmony with nature.  So it's very, very optimistic picture of human life, so the how geographic climatic seasonal changes, lifestyle, cycles all impacts our health and well-being and how to live in accordance with seasons and with the seventies cycles as we age and one of the essence of this book, which I pulled out to readout is, health and well-being can be achieved only by remaining censored in spirit guiding against the squandering energy, promoting the constant flow of Qi and blood maintaining harmonious balance of yin and yang adapting to the changing seasonal and dealy macrocosmic influences and nourishing oneself preventively, this is the way to a long and happy life.  This is completely opposite to what all of us is doing, yeah right and I also would offer up a youtube that I just listened to called the seven year cycles of life by Anregi Nagi, beautiful this man is like a poet with about it how to live and how to die there’s one side of the coin, how to enter and how to exit and to think about these seven years cycles of when you were zero to age 7 yous hould be a child and you should be completely self indulgent, you should, you know do whatever it is that you desire and you should have a lot of finding in your life and these some schools continue to change 21 to 28 is when you move into social endeavours, you still got a lot of energy squander at this age, you know you can be very, very politically active, range against the machine, you can, you know study at university and go to parties, these things should be fulfilled in these times within our lives and if they're not we will leave this out when we’re older and it will damage us in our forties.  So if we don't, you know, a lot of my clients who, when you know, they were younger, you know, before age 10 they could be the oldest child in all of their siblings and what made, you know, there was a lot of squabbling between parents and they were made to look after the youngest siblings and it really pulls out and effect something psychologically in their adult life, this because they didn't have that opportunity in that cycle to be a child and so if we don't get to fill in where meant to fulfill in these 70 cycles, it's interesting how it can impact psychologically and there's another pattern from age 35 to age 42 if I'm correct in which we, these seven cycles of variation and they go from zero to age 70 and so if I made 35 to age 42 is the point in which is like the Sun rises between 12 and 3 p.m. is when the sun is at its peak and we are our brightest and everything kind of comes to a peak is at this time but it's the midpoint of the day where we are now going to also start looking towards were preparing for nighttime, interestingly at age 35 a hormone called DHEA, starts to decline it’s called Di Hydro Plan Destrone its really inborn full new name but we just know it’s DHEA, it’s released from the adrenal glands and it's also known as the useful node, this who new node, which is the inflammation in the body and is a predictor when we look at either in saliva or serum of long-term adrenal house and this starts to decline about 1.5% after age 35 so we're already on a poor model decline from this age, this is something that we should prepare for at this age of like how much how much energy do I now have to squander and whether that's squandering on commerce, squandering on party, squandering on even, physical exercise, how much do we have to give and how much do I want to store away?  My essence, still living and fulfilling a healthy life harmoniously up to age of 70 or beyond. 

 

Paul

It's really, really interesting that you say that, all those are amazing illustrations of these cycles of life, I mean, I just turned 35 two weeks ago

 

Natasja

Congratulations

 

Paul

Thank you very much, you’re saying now, you’re congratulating me on becoming inflamed or what's the congratulations for? What I do take from that is the wisdom that I have received from experience and age that I didn't have in my twenties and there are other aspects around or this entire aging process, you know. I was talking to one of my very dear friends yesterday and we're having a very, very long discussion about it, he just moved back here from Paris, France, Lee, shout out to you my friend.  We were discussing in a weird kind of way what we are discussing right now but the aspect of this identity that you have with your past self, as well, this emotional identity that you may have intimately with yourself but also in your community, let's say you ,let's just use you for example, you are the yoga chick, you're the chick that had a spiritual practice, you were on that yoga mat for hours a day and then you had to be confronted with not being the same person, identity that you had 10 years before.  That’s the a process you need to work through, I've had it, everyone has it I suppose and you know when once you add that emotional aspect into it, it becomes a lot more complex and we just need a work from it from so many different angles.  I just thought it was irrelevant time to bring that up because there are so many different aspects of these wellness attributes or these wellness ways to go about it.

 

Natasja

Yeah, well I think it's harder when your society and your culture continues to demand that you continue to go at that pace at that full throttle pace, there is this like lack of cut off for people and you know in the seven year cycles from 63 to 70 you should be starting to be more contemplative and withdrawing and being more self-absorbed back you were between age 0 to 7 but so many people are still, you know, my parents still running a business and they’re, you know, nearing 70 and they’re still looking after all the grandchildren and you know, people are doing so much, they’re still giving so much and people awarded and this isn't my opinion but I'm sure that Qi bow at 2,000 years ago would have an opinion on this about how we award our people to do marathon runs until they really give out at the finish line and we applaud them.  Why is that, why is that satisfying feat for Humanity, why is, you know, people pushing themselves to the brink of exhaustion so satisfying and applaudable? But that's what our society does, it's like reach for the stars be your best like and you know, nobody gets a water for living a Thaoist life we like meditated today and I usually take wednesday's off just to kick about catch some sun rays and remain hydrated, he gets awarded for that.

 

Paul

And do interviews, Tash, I actually want to draw attention to that marathon example. I have a very dear friend once again who is a very experienced runner and she completed her very first full-length marathon over the Christmas period, since then she has become consistently ill, has had health issues and structural issues physically.  What, I mean obviously you haven't examined her you don't know her personally but could you has it a guess as to what a running a marathon, what effects that may have on her biology? 

 

Natasja

Sure but I'm very tentative in saying this on an interview I'm gonna say it anyway because I'm an Aries and I’m always stuck my foot in it and people hate me when I say this and I hated myself when I realize this for myself because I was a marathon runner and I also do hardcore you know yoga asanas and it was very acrobatic and have to give it up, had to being the operative word because I was so debilitated on so many levels and I wasn't good at exits and I wasn't good at facing that the guys that were on the mat next to me were able to do certain things with their body that I couldn't, that I would push myself for long hours so I can do that handstand or so I could do whatever, it’s so ridiculous, the competition, the ego involved in like some ridiculous thing that you think is a spiritual pursuit but even with, you know, that in chinese medicine, right?  Women in yin, men are yang, the hormone testosterone enables muscle growth and to be very driven and that even changes the way that we think when you're supplied with more testosterone, what lights up within your brain.  Men are very, very driven and there are differences between men and women, women are much more, you know, we let go of our blood for half of our life every goddamn month, you know, we're losing yin on essence, you know and for me equal rights between men and women is actually looks very different for men and women because we're different specimens, we’re different gender.  What a man needs is different from what a woman needs and so equality looks different for both of us and it was up to me every first day of your cycle as a woman you should take the day off if we're talking about equal rights from a health perspective purely.  So, yeah women from a chinese medical perspective from a thoaist perspective should be more yin and yielding in nature and we shouldn't be doing things like marathon running or excess exercise, I mean we see this, well I see this in my clinic with women who are very, very pushed driven either in commerce or in their physical life, you know, that they juggle a lot, they're very nurturing and they give to others all the time.  What happens is that they actually drained the essence all their hormonal does and so when your ovaries decide to switch off that release of oestrogen and progesterone during menopause, which is, you know anywhere in your forties or fifties, it happens sooner for these women and the hormonal decline stops very suddenly and your adrenal glands do supply us with these six hormones and enough for us to not have symptoms apparently.  So, there are women that are experiencing menopause symptom less, who are these women?  These women are the women that looks after their adrenal glands, that took Wednesday's off to kick about and stay hydrated and get into the sun, these were these women that weren’t doing marathon running, these women that weren’t very kind of competitive in nature there were no yield and listening to their bodies and then they don't suffer because they were living and the art of life and art of life for a woman is different from the art of life for a man and the art of life is different from every season.  We should not be doing as much physical exercise or exertion in winter according to a lot of traditional medical precepts and medical books.  So, you know, what I'm saying is that, you know, I find these women who are in their forties that are all about I'm just as strong as a man, I can push it and I do bootcamp and I do all this stuff and I'm worried because I see women are going through menopause and it's not pretty, it's you know it's rough and without saying this is being like anti-feminist, this is coming purely from a health perspective 

 

Paul

Got you, it makes so much sense, I mean we function in conjunction with nature and with the natural inclination of the world to change as we change, surely there's got to be a different practice or a different physical practice in the winter as it would be in the summer 

 

Natasja

Yeah and in the day and in to the night, what is going on with these 24-hour gyms like what absolute absurdity.  What are people thinking? I'll just sit on a bit of like a job on the treadmill and do some like weights at eleven or 1am or whatever because that’s your shift work it's bizarre, you know and that people are so out of touch with listening to their bodies that this is what we're doing to ourselves and wondering why we get sick.

 

Paul

What do you think, going for a run at eleven o'clock or twelve o'clock at night does for your body of circadian rhythm, your hormones? 

 

Natasja

Well your circadian rhythm is dictated by your pineal gland and your adrenal glands and also dictated by a light frequency, so your body receives like not just through your retina but through your skin and when your body receives light it then commands the pineal gland to then send messages to your adrenal glands to release cortisol, which people think is stressful hormone but it’s actually a survival hormone, it's an anti-inflammatory hormone, it’s an amazing hormone and cortisol is released and naturally wake you up when the sun rises, and you're feeling good at the start of the day, you’re feeling energized and then leaving in accordance with nature then the sun starts to shift and we don't switch on every single goddamn bright light at night time then we will be exposed to more, you know, there will be less light so you know they’ll be walking around it and dimmer sort of lighting, which will then dictate that the cortisol will decline and another hormone called melatonin will be released and melatonin will begin to surge from 10pm onwards and melatona has an effect on brain wave frequencies as well, so the brainwave frequency starts slow down and this thing, you know, it has this effect on the central nervous system, things begin to quiet the mind quiets and the body goes into stop store, a state of rehabilitation and restoration when we get into deep sleep and when people are not sleeping, well this creates absolute havoc in your health and well-being because you're not really rehabilitating, and you're not restoring, some people call complete exhaustion falling as you know into a pile and a heap on the couch and snoring with some sleep apnea sleep but it's actually not restoring their body, so if anybody is snoring I would really urge them to do something about it to the degree of getting even one of those sleep apnea machines that keep the airwaves open.  I've seen huge impact on people's health and well-being from that alone getting oxygen into your body and getting into your brain wave frequencies to drop in to take delta waves sleep during night time hours is one of the best things that you can do for your health and well-being.  If you are doing shift work then you're exposed to these artificial lights which are detrimental to your health and you can look that up on you know on pub med there's research that back this.  And then when you go to bed, you're not exposed to any of that natural beautiful light, which has an impact on serotonin release and endorphins release and it’s setting us a circadian rhythms.  You're going against the laws of nature, if you're getting up early and then working all through the day and smashing out a run at eleven o'clock when your melatonine should be surging then you're going to cause a incorrect surge of cortisol so when you do go to bed it's going to be taking a much longer time for your brain wave frequencies to drop and therefore lot and you're missing out on time in which your organs will restore and rehabilitate. 

 

Paul

There are so many people, clients of mine that have been complaining recently, I've not necessarily being able to struggle to get to sleep but waking up at three or four o'clock in the morning and then being complete insomniac and not being able to then be able to get the, it is this once again an approach to be interrupted circadian rhythm and the sleep cycles are just kind of out of whack? 

 

Natasja

Yeah, well the circadian rhythms should have two sections to it and it's a bell curve in each, it comes up it rises up in it and it drops down, so there's two patterns in a healthy circadian rhythm.  What can happen when your adrenal glands are exhausted or you've been giving yourself an artificial light at the wrong times of the day or doing too much activity or stimulating yourself too late in the day or sleeping in too long in the morning or smashing the caffeine, or steroids or overdoing it anyway and or even psychological and emotional stress can, you know lead to adrenal depletion then what happens is that we get a full pattern circadian rhythm.  So people will wake up kind of groggy thern they’ll have a bit of a cortisol surge and feel okay at around 11 or 12 and then they’ll hit the ground at about between two and four which, is chinese medicines kidney adrenal time. So, people will feel exhausted and go for green tea or they’llhave their second or third or six cups of coffee and then they’ll feel good again at about seven or eight pm and then they'll go to sleep and then they’ll wake up again between 1 and 3, which is the time of the liver and the liver is got huge responsibility for harmonizing our endocrine system because it it processes hormones we release hormones that they need to be kind of detoxify within our body.  So, the liver is a guard in hormonal balance that we need to also consider whenever we're doing anything with the endocrine system and in chinese medicine between one and three a.m. is the time in which the liver is most active so that's typically when people wake up, if it's more around 4am then it could be with the heart, it's a lot of the cortisol is rising too early and that's a real stress sign, so there is a lot that can be done to regulate circadian rhythms like that but a lot of people are living like this to the point where we can even normalized

 

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah that's that super interesting and this is the thing I love about the chinese medicine, there's always a, there's always an organ or a biological interrelated representation or a very real representation of what's going on inside your system, for those of us who do drink caffeine do you have a recommended first hit of cafe when you actually do wake up, is it straight away when you wake up or would you recommend waiting two hours because let's face it you know we live in Melbourne for God sakes

 

Natasja

Yeah (inaudible) I mean I do get maybe you know very weak coffee once a week and I love it, I would recommend doing it in the morning after breakfast 

 

Paul

Cool

 

Natasja

The first thing that you should do is drink a very large glass filter, I (inaudible) have lemon warm water and Himalayan or some sort of you know australian mineralized salt, first thing in the morning so supplying the body with vitamin C and minerals and hydrating your system then I wait some time then I will eat and then if you want to have caffeine it should be after that 

 

Paul

Gotcha, gotcha Natasha once again a wealth of knowledge you've been absolutely wonderful on this podcast and we may even have you back a third time, I want to leave you just with one last question, that is what do you think you could leave listeners with some actions of that I can take today, that can make an immediate improvement on the way they see their lives, they can get some balance out of an action that can take today 

 

Natasja

Read the Huangdu Neijing

 

Paul

Cool

 

Natasja

So, that's the yellow emperor's classic of medicine, very easy to read, it’s like an interview style book, investigate daoist sexual practices

 

Paul

Ok 

 

Natasja

You know, a lot of people are scared of this but even in regards to cycles of how you should ejaculate in seven year cycles is very interesting and that alone can be a real deal breaker for men's health and restoring their testosterone and a lot of people don't like talking about this stuff, it's a sensitive topic 

 

Paul

Well ok, I know we were wanting this up but you've kind of open pandora's box here, continue please

 

Natasja

In Chinese medicine and in doaist sexual practices the loss of semen is considered a loss of your essence, of your gene, of your vitality and men would receive essence from having sexual intercourse with women because they will receive their gene but every time there are practices in which you can restore that sort of the essence and and and recirculate that essence within your body when you're having sex but in this day and age and with porn as well like it's, there's so much ejaculation going on and then it's this is more is better thing, more ejaculation the better and in chinese medicine is this one practice that still is investigating sexual health and you know, you can, I can feel someone's pulse and I have to ask them how often do you ejaculate in a week?  Because it really shows up in the pulse and it just have a negative effect on the adrenal glands and your testosterone levels.  So, well if you wanted to investigate that further I'm pretty sure the yellow emperor's classic discusses very in detail how often to retain your essence and live a long healthy life with a good amount of supply of testosterone, you should evacuate in seven year cycles.

 

Paul

That's fascinating because there are the meta seven-year cycle component but I imagine there's also a more micro cycling involved in it, for example you know throughout as like the seasons within a year you know.

 

Natasja

Oh yeah 

 

Paul

I think I've had a lengthy discussion with their a Chinese doctor that that your sage remain a little bit more or less potent in during the colder months 

 

Natasja

Yeah, yeah, you know and so at night time and it not I'm so, you know, less sex being less frisky in the middle of winter and in the middle of night when the cycles are withdrawing wherein a darker season there is less light, there's less energy, you know and at night time as well, so yeah the living in accordance with seasons is something that our western culture is completely forgotten about and it makes some really big difference on your health like small things that you can, like small thing that you can start to educate yourself about can really save you when you later use in life 

 

Paul

Very interesting, so afternoon delight is a good thing 

 

Natasja

Yeah, yeah 

 

Paul

Okay, okay, great we're going to leave it on that note.  Natasja I want to thank you so, so much, it's been wonderful and yeah look I'm going to put all your details down on the show notes and I'm sure we'll have you back at some stage 

 

Natasja

Cool man the last thing that I thought would be a great reference for your readers is to investigate The Daoist Health Sex and Longevity by Daniel Reid 

 

Paul

Awesome

 

Natasja

That’s a good one

 

Paul

So much amazing resources that I'm going to put down on the show notes, soI'm sure that this is applicable also to women this the sexual health 

 

Natasja

Yeah most definitely is yeah 

 

Paul

Wonderful thanks again Natasja great chat

 

Natasja

Cool, yeah, great to chat with you again

 

Paul

Awesome to chat, thank you Natasha that was super cool, we covered a little bit on eating with Natasha and it's a great opportunity for me to bring up how my mindful eating challenge is going for the month.  I'm just having such a great time the more I seem to do this the more I seem to appreciate my time with my food and something interesting has happened I’ve kind of looking at this food as fuel to nourish my system and I actually believe that my system is recognizing it differently because i'm thinking about the food coming into it differently.  I wish there were studies to cover this type of thing maybe there are that's it that's my homework for this week, find studies on the power of thought on food and your body. I will continue my mindful eating challenge and give you regular updates on it I am loving the process, I am loving having no distractions when I eat food as well my god the food is just tasting so goddamn good.  Alright that's enough out of me for another week I shall see you guys in the new month adios

 

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Show Notes

 

The Daoist Health Sex and Longevity by Daniel Reid 

Huangdu Neijing