What you will learn:

  • Josh used to work in corporate sales and moved into coaching and digital health.
  • Josh helps keep his clients accountable and reach better results by using wearable tech.
  • Productivity and health have to start from mindfulness.
  • Josh’s favourite mindfulness app is called “Muse”, which has a brain sensing headband that tracks alpha, beta and theta waves.
  • You can track how much your brain is in each of these states and this “gamification” of meditation can help to shut off the voices.
  • Josh also recomends Calm and Headspace.
  • For body coaching and training you need to be mindful to see how much of your day is spent sedentary and active.
  • Measure your NEAT score; Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis which is how many calories you burn at a base rate.
  • People with a higher score will be more likely to lose weight easily.
  • You can also track your health and wellness through FitBit or Nudge Coach which tracks portion control.
  • Skulpt can send electronic waves through your body and measure body fat percentage.
  • All this data needs to be combines with a mindfulness component to actually analyse the data.
  • Heart Rate Variability is the amount of time between heart beats and the higher your score the more ready you are to train.
  • Measure this each morning and you will know whether to train or have a day of rest.
  • Use your phone calendar as a productivity tool.
  • Schedule in everything; work, fun and meditation.
  • Get up and move regularly – if water sits it stagnates and the same happens to our bodies.
  • When you’re choosing an app or a tool make sure you know why you’re choosing it; not just because your friends are.
  • To add value to your life, start a journal and pick a goal to work towards.

Contact: Wellnessforce.com




Paul:  Josh how are you my friend?

Josh:  So good thanks for having me on

Paul:  It’s my absolute pleasure too. We’ve got together actually over the skype about a week ago and we had a wonderful chat about both of our past and we’ve had a lot in common it seems, which makes this conversation so much easier to have.  You and I have both shared a background I guess the corporate way of life we’ve both experienced the pitfalls that comes with these and I suppose we’ve had a renaissance in the wellness industry.   Why don’t you tell us a little bit about where you’ve come from?

Josh:  Wow, well I’m from the town of La Misa, so in San Diego it’s kind of like the sticks but my childhood was actually was really prepped me for what happened to me in the wellness industry.  So, I’m a digital healthcare, I’m a podcast host wellness host radio and what I do right now is I help people to have better results through increased accountability by wearable technology so wearable tech meaning foot beats job owns, mindfulness pieces around application anything at all that’s technology based that allow people to increase their level of wellness but I was a trainer for a long time and there was some things that happened when I was a kid, we can discuss that as well if you’d like but when I started to learn about the power of digital health was kind of at the tail end of a corporate sales career and endurance technology, I was an account executive.  I was kind of like flying around and I was making phone calls, and I would, just not happy with what I was doing.  And what happened was is that I saw this film and it was by these 2 Olympic athletes, Sky and Tamara Christopherson and they had this film called “Personal Gold”, in the movie they used quantified self tech and digital health.  To allow these athletes in the 2012 Olympic Games the USA Women’s Cycling Team to win a silver medal and I’ll never forget this Paul, I was driving home from a sound meditation with a crystal balls, I don’t think we talked about this in our last call but I had this crystal balls on my body and was going through some different meditations some kind of deeper meditation on the way home everything clicked and I have this vision where at the time when I was dating a girl and I said pull over and she got off my phone and recorded me for like 10 minutes and I said this is what I’m going to do.  I’m going to create a podcast around how this technology device help the average person because if they can help the Olympic Athletes win a silver medal, what could they do to increase mindfulness and letting go of waiting getting more energy for the average person and so I just knew at that moment, I was like, I’m going to have a podcast, I’m going to have a coaching practice, that’s around this wearable tech devices and I’m going to stand on my last 10 years and 10,000 hours plus of training clients shoulder to shoulder in the gym and just tied it all together because what I found when I was a trainer and I’m sure if there’s any health professionals listening.  You guys know that transformation does not happen in 2 hours a week a the gym, transformation happens over the long haul day by day, brick by brick and that’s frustrating for a lot of health pro’s, you can’t really induce the life change with clients in 3 hours a week and so with this dish to health piece we now get to see this nearest of mindfulness where we can look at how a client’s eating, how they’re hydrating, how they’re sleeping, how they’re working out and how their activity is you know those sedentary time versus their active time so it’s been a really great journey and I’m actually looking at now how technology and emotion play hand in hand.

Paul:  Wonderful, let’s hit the ground running, I’m so intrigued by this emerging industry that its come about, it’s been around for a little while but it just seems to be evolving exponentially.  Why don’t you give us, let’s try to break it down into a few different categories but I’d love to get some insight into what your favourite and most useful wearable technology is surrounding, let’s talk health and fitness, let’s talk about mindfulness and let’s talk about it all round individual productivity.

Josh:  Yes let’s do it all, let’s start with the mindfulness because let’s be real the mindfulness is peace if we don’t have mindfulness as a coach or as a client it’s pretty hard to create the space to have productivity it’s a half fitness and to half health so I think let’s start with this mindfulness piece, right?  So my absolute favourite app that I use is called “Muse” it’s a brain sensing headband that tracks your alpha, beta and fata waves, fata to be on that creative flow.  It’s what kids where always in when they go to the sandbox to the juicebar to the parents, I mean, kids are in fata.  So, as adults what happens is we have stressful lives, we have things that are going on.  We have a staff calendar like we never had before and so it’s not necessarily that people don’t know what to do as far as health it’s that they haven’t created the space to actually execute on it and do it.  And so with Muse I’m able to not only see how many hours I’m meditating on a monthly basis but I can also see the quantitative data, how much time I’m spending on data.  If I’m going and fluttering and allowing my thoughts to go out the window can I recover, can I pull back?  And so it gamefize meditation to where now if I’m using this on a consistent basis I know that maybe a silent meditation is best, maybe a guided meditation is better for me, maybe a meditation where I set an intention beforehand can create a better fata state for me to be in and so that’s been a godsend for me Paul, you know having a device where I can actually track quantitatively and the quality like what am I actually doing in that space, that’s been a big one.  So, Muse the brain sensing headband, you know there’s a couple of other apps that I love, Calm is a good one, a company that is really popular called “Head Space”, head space is a good one too but for me, you know there are many different apps that are out there it’s just the best one that worked for me and I actually form the relationship I interviewed the presidents of Muse on the show and she talked about why she made it and it’s to shut off the voices, it’s to shut off these negative incessant voices that we have all day long in our brain.  And when those voices shut off we can then create a space for “hey what do I want to accomplish”, “What am I commited too”, “What do I want to create today in regards to health and wellness”, so that’s my favourite tool.

Paul:  Incredible!  We live such a ridiculously transformative world in today’s day and age I mean, you look at something like the simple act of meditation it was, for lack of a better word in main circles taboo 10 years ago, you know.  

Josh:  You’re a hippie, you make fond of it here 

Paul:  You’re a hippie you never shout and now it is a solid productive tool used by executives, whatever.  People from all walks of life and not only that you were able to use your analytical mind and qualitative and quantitative data to be able to measure your progress.  What a wonderful tool to have I’ll put that on the show it’s a hundred percent.

Josh:  Sure

Paul:  Let’s move on to, I want to get into the health and fitness being able to measure how to accelerate body composition, how to accelerate I guess games I whatever chosen pursuit you choose 

Josh:  Yes, So, I mean there’s 2 pieces right people typically want to do one of 2 things, they want to put on lean muscle or they want to let go of all the weight and I say specifically let go of all the weight because it’s not like clients or people that are on the journey are trying to lose weight we all know where it is, it’s like right here.  We’re not trying to lose the weight, we’re actually trying to create the space to let it go.  So how do we do that?  How do we create the space so we can let go of the weight by using technology or we do it by being mindful no.1 and then having a little mirror of mindfulness where we can see, “hey what’s my time” sedentary seated versus “what’s my time” active.  There’s a score it’s called “meet” and it’s none exercise activity thermo genesis and what that is, is how many calories you’re burning throughout the day, just moving about, just going through your life, you know, picking up the kids, walking, moving, <fincheting> if you will.  People that have higher “meet” scores or exercise activity thermo genesis, they’re the ones that let go of weight because weight loss happens in 2 ways, neither happens when you’re charging at the gym, when you’re lifting weights, when you’re putting out calories, and then you’re taking in less calories but the metabolism is really smart and so what happens is over the course of 2 weeks or so, it’s around 2 weeks, if you’re eating less and if you’re moving more, your body is really smart and it starts to know, “ok, well, josh is actually been eating 2,000 calories but he’s been exporting 35 hundred, we’re going to go ahead and just like slow the metabolism down and so what we can do is we can see over the course of time by your nutrients score.  I use “fit bit” that’s the best app I feel like, this is a way where we can, we can log our calories that works for you.  It depends on the client though, some people get a lot of neurosis about tracking calories because it brings up “oh my gosh scarcity” but then there’s also tools like “nudge coach”, I use nudge coach in my clients and that’s a way to just log a portion.  So, there’s 2 facets and it depends on the clients mindset but again when we’re taking in a snapshot of how we’re being with our life, how we’re showing with the way that we eat, it’s so much more powerful and then seeing, “hey can I back off training today or on Sunday can I have more calories because I’ve been doing a great job” and then combining that with a measurement tool that like the sculpt, sculpt is a device where can actually send biological impendence through your skin from a handheld piece and they allow you to see how much fat is in parts of your body, how much lean body mass tissue is in parts of your body.  So, we have the fit bit, we have the sculpt we have this devices that contract kind of our physicality and our calories coming in but along with that Paul comes the mindfulness component of “hey am I actually taking a look at my data because the actions stands from the data, I mean look, you can track as much as you want but tracking isn’t really important it’s the intention behind the tracking that’s why people change.  So, I like those 2 devices, those are the best ones in my opinion for health and fitness, “my fitness pal” if you’re interested in tracking calories is a really good one but the thing that “my fitness pal” doesn’t really do is it does not track sleep and you and I both know the quality of sleep is a big deal you know, you have a passion for medium chain fatty acids in your product that you’re creating that has a health benefit, well guess what, so does sleep when we sleep enough we’re getting that melt down release, we’re getting those chemicals in the brain that can be washed in the evening so we can have less toxicity in the brain, these are really important things, man.  So, piecing in that fit bit data, how we move, how we sleep, where our calories are and our time sedentary versus active we can start to gleam and more comprehensive approach about “hey, what can I adjust in the future and does it make sense based on the data my body creates.  

Paul:  Wonderful, let’s see some example to really crystallize the apps that you’re talking about and using the filter of mindfulness over them for example I’m back to back today I don’t have the opportunity to, I was actually going through just before we got on the air.  Do I have the chance to be over to actually do a workout today?  I don’t think it’s going to happen but am I going to be doing myself this service or is it the right time to take the risk?  How would I go about phasing together all of these data points to be able to say “ok, these looks like a good opportunity for me to have a rest period”.

Josh:  This is awesome man because this is what people forget about is variability in our heart, heart rate variability can tie, everything I have just mentioned, HRV can tie all of these together.  So, with heart rate variability, I don’t know if you have explored that in the show yet but basically it’s the amount of time in between our beats of our heart.  So, the higher your variability score is for your HRV the more athletic ready you are to train that day.  So, for example if you are sick for 3 days your HRV is going to be low, you’re going to have a lower score, which constitutes you giving yourself data wise and anecdotally how you feel, it gives you a space to take a break.  So the biggest issue with people is when they’re starting a program or when they’re doing some kind of wellness practice, they don’t know where to stand as far as their compass, should I, should I not, should I workout, I don’t actually just push through it and a lot of the times people are over training when they first start.  They start really hard and then after a month they tether up.  So, here’s the cool thing we have the HRV app, I use HRV for training, this is an awesome app.  You will actually love this app just based on your background.  It’s a way for us to see over the course of 30 days it gets an algorithm and it can actually figure out, okay this is josh’s training low, this is his volume.  Every single day when I wake up is my score in the 70’s, is my score in the 80’s, if my score is in the 90’s that’s going to be the day where I can push the PR in the gym.  If my score is in the toilet, if I’m waking up and I think I feel ok but I want to check in and see where I’m at, a first wake up HRV measurement can be a Godsend, I mean you can literally look and say “okay, you know what based on my data, I’ve been tracking my data for a month, this is not a day for me to push it hard, today is a walk day, I’m just going to enjoy the phase of walking”, so that’s what I did today right before your call, I just went on a walk, I did some sprints, my HRV was a little bit lower today.  So, I chose to do like 5 sprints and a walk and I feel great, you know but in the past what I might have trouble with is I would have gone to the gym and did some dead lifts it’s not really an alignment with what my body was craving.  HRV is kind of like the mirror on all these different filters where we look at the fit bit and the muse and all this pieces.

Paul:  Could it cost you a whole pass from your ego doesn’t it?

Josh:  Beautiful to say it, such a beautiful way to describe it dude yes.

Paul:  It gives you this opportunity because I’m guilty, I’m sure so many of us are being hard distraction when it comes to how we design our workout week and workout day even our workout month and cycles within it and if your body is not just playing ball it’s time to chill out for a bit.  

Josh:  Yes because this is what happens right?  You have a client that says, as long as I have the list and I have all the checkmark and I have the plan and my structured rigid plan, that’s great but then what happens when life occurs, what happens when you get sick, what happens when you get into a fight with your woman or with your man, what happens when your kids are screaming and you’ve got no sleep, what happens if your body is just experiencing something and it needs a rest?  Well, if the mind, which by the way the mind doesn’t give a crap about the body at all.  The mind wants what it wants, it’s followed by its ego, it’s followed by its things that it want to accomplish for work or the way you want to be perceived in life, the mind doesn’t always care about the body.  But if we’re looking for wellness, we have to tie in the mind and body together.  And so I think what’s really cool is all these tools that we’re seeing now is just this little mirrors where we can get back to our compass, we can get back to like actually feeling “okay I’m going to take my life and I’m going to quantify it so that I can learn what it’s like to have that compass work for me again but where do I actually operate from?  Is it a place of knowing and listening to my body?  Can I have the data and use that data to make me understand my body and listen to my body?  Or if I’m not using data at all and I’m just going off of my ego and off of my bravado then I might be over training and then I’m going to plateau and then I’m not going to get the results that I want.  It’s a very strategic and scientific way to use data so we can show more power in to our training and get some better results.

Paul:  Love it, love it.  You and I do really share common trait when it comes to, I suppose, when we wake up it’s time to be productive and when we assign the time to be productive also in the form of meditation that is also another form of productivity but it’s switching off and creating balance.  And that balance to be able to be you know, to have that balance in productivity is just completely and utterly incredible but what I’d like to talk about is your tools that you’ve used for productivity in creating your ideal day and also I know you have some offerings that you are absolutely just so beautifully with, with your clientele as well.  Can you tie that all in together for us?

Josh:  Yes so let’s do the productivity piece first I think when we look at productivity; it’s the act of doing and as Depak Chupra says, right?  Huge healer here, he has a center in Carlsbad here in San Diego, “It’s not what human doings, it’s that we’re human beings”.  So, part of having productivity in our lives is actually structuring in the time where we just be, where we meditate, where we have restoration, where we’re doing massage, how we’re doing rest, what we’re doing to fill ourselves back up, that’s a big part of productivity that I think a lot of people leave out.  So what I do is I use my calendar on my phone, as I’m sure everyone listening and you included, our phones are on us like 24 hours a day, right?  So my biggest productivity tool is the calendar on my phone.  Well, a lot of people do and this is a big gem that people don’t execute on but I promise you if you just execute on this 1 piece it will make the biggest deal as soon as you have something structured, an appointment, a call, our interview, schedule it immediately and send them an invite.  Don’t wait you might forget we’ve all been in that place where we double book ourselves or like “oh my gosh I got 3 people today like your day, oh I don’t know if I’m going to workout today”.  Well, if we just use that calendar as kind of like the north star for us, that’s the biggest one, here’s the cool thing, you can set reminders in there as well.  Now, let’s piece them together too because when we look at productivity, productivity is just awesome continuum where there’s no finish line for productivity, so we use the piece on our phone for the calendar but then we also get to use the apps like “ever note”.  Ever Note for me has been awesome it’s how I plan my shows it’s how I do my client research, it’s where I hold live information.  I think ever note has been, especially for an entrepreneur, or a coach or a therapist or anyone it’s one of the best systems I’ve ever seen to compartmentalized notes, it’s actually gives yourself reminders too so piecing the Iphone or the google phone, whatever you have making sure that you set reminders that you already have just to let yourself know “ok in 2 hours I have a meeting coming up”.  Those 2 pieces have been great but here’s the 3rd one a lot of people don’t know this, on the fit bit you can actually set silent alarms.  So, one of the big pieces around productivity is movement, you know, there are some studies out there and I’ll definitely send you those for the show and one of them is by the NAH and it was the study around people that do hard exercise like HIIT training, Crossfitters or a big one, right?  So, the workout for an hour in the morning but then they’ll sit for 8 hours and they’ll take like maybe 500 steps in 8 hours, well, what they don’t realize in what studies are showing is that there’s so much dilatory effects from them sitting for that long that it almost cancels out the positive acts of their workout in the morning so you’d actually get a lot more beneficial effects if you were to sit 2 or 3 movement alarms from your fit bit it will vibrate right at your wrist and it will just give you that 5 minute nudge where you get to take a break, push back from the desk, hopefully you’re using some kind of a standing desk but push back from the desk give yourself that 5 minute movement break, do that, 3,4,5, maybe even 6 times throughout your day, watch how much more energy you have and then when you have more energy watch how much more productive you can be. So, to kind of recap, you know, using that calendar, setting appointments as the no.1 thing just get them in there and that goes for scheduling in your work outs and also it gets out for scheduling your free time, scheduling your massages, scheduling your walking, scheduling your time with the boys, you know, or with the ladies, whatever it is. Use the phone we have it on us so might as well use it to our advantage and then of course for business and productivity ever know this king and then reminding our movement breaks with the fit bit silent alarm.

Paul:  Love it, I remember listening to a podcast recently with Kelly Starret and he was talking about the sedentary lifestyle that so many of us do experience and I think the studies have suggest that the ideal amount of time in this modern world that we should be sitting for is about 2 hours and that includes 2 hours a day that is, and that includes commuting to in from work and sitting down with your family to have dinner.  So, doesn’t need that much more time to sit and from what I understand, and obviously he was using Modern America as a reference point, a lot of people are sitting for 10 to 12 hours a day.

Josh:  Absolutely man and think about what happens when you have water, water sits it stagnates and it gets putrid, right?  When humans sit, we’re made of almost complete water, majority of our body is water, so when we sit, we stagnate and so people at 3pm, typically here’s what happens, people at 3pm when I look at data 3pm is the time where most people are feeling groggy, they’re taking the least amount of movement.  What they don’t realize is they have the power at 3 o’ clock in the afternoon to snap out of it.  You go on a 5 to 7 minute brisk walk guaranteed, like absolutely guaranteed you’re going to feel just as energized as if you had a cup of tea or a cup of coffee.  So, that’s a big one it’s instituting this movement break but look if you’re stressed, if you’re looking for a big project, you’re going to need something to snap you out of it and change your state with that little vibration on your wrist that you promised yourself that you’d follow, that can be the thing that snaps you out of it.  

Paul:  I love it man, I’m going to add it, my 2 cents actually into this as well.  You’ve used the iphone or a smart phone as a wonderful device, which I’m actually a fan of it something that is a big part of everyone’s life, obviously there’s good and bad to everything, there’s positive and negative there are certain things that come with the smart phone you know, that we can try to avoid like just something simple like using the latest updates to be able to minimize the blue light on that smart phone you know like, if you’re going to using the smart phone before you sleep how good will that be to be able to minimize that and get a bit of quality sleep.  Another thing I will say is this stuff and no I’m not getting any kind of kick backs on these company but it is an areas shield protector, which further protects a lot of the electro magnetic radiation that comes from the phones as well.  

Josh:  Well, you just taught me something cool, I didn’t know about it, it’s awesome.

Paul:  Yes it’s really cool, look into it, I’ll put that in the show notes as well

Josh:  Cool.  

Paul:  But yes you can stick these things at the back of your phone, on your computer, on your modems, I even have one that I wear around my neck, I know it’s a bit geeky but my god, you know, it’s just a little thing, it’s a lot easier for people that, you know, rock out in their suits and ties you just wack it in your wallet and away you go, it’s like a little credit card.  So, there’s some amazing things out there and I guess it’s about being aware of all the positives and negatives associated with them.  We’re not going to be able to live like they do, you know, 10,000 years ago, know that we probably want to but it is about doing what you can while it’s maintaining a still and ease free lifestyle.  You mentioned before about things that you can get so caught up in your mind about all these things about doing things right and wrong that the very act of doing things correctly can cause so much more frustration and anxiety around you, that, that’s going to be creating a bio chemical response in your body that’s going to be worst than if you actually chilled out.  So, I guess I’m just stressing what you said before about being able to take a step back and not take life so seriously yet, have that thirst to be able to improve your productivity.  

Josh: Absolutely man, because it’s not about the tool.  What turns people off about tech is it’s kind of cumbersome in the beginning unless there’s a strong intention behind it in my opinion almost impossible to just get a piece technology and use it and all of a sudden get the benefits, there has to be a clear space that you create before hand where you actually know why are you using the tech in the first place, like here’s a good example, you know, on the phone there’s also a “do not disturb” function.  If you want to be able to set the do not disturb for certain hours where you just need your time, well just use that technology but first figure out what you’re going to need your time for, what you actually want to create for that 2 hours a day or that 4 hour block a day.  So, technology is great but technology is only as powerful as the hand like it has the sword, right?  So its 2 sided, technology is the ultimate double edge sword, paul.  On one side it’s this beautiful tool to be productive and to cut through the monotony of the day and to help us get back energy and time but on the other side there’s facebook, there’s instagram, there’s all these technology pieces that are actually detract from human connection and takeaway from our connectivity so it’s up to us, man, it’s up to us to put some consciousness and some intention behind this technology.  So, we can actually use it to empower ourselves instead of just being a passenger and saying “oh well, you know, I’m just going to check my phone 300 times a day because I got a notification”, turn the notification off.

Paul:  Absolutely

Josh:  Turn it off.  There’s many ways we can hack our lives and technology can help us.

Paul:  I feel like our modern society wherein it’s like infancy perhaps we’re crawling into our adolescence where we’re just trying to be able to establish, you know, like a child, figures out it’s hand in front of us like “what’s this little guy doing in front of me.  Yes, we’re doing that with all the smart devices now, what are these things?  I’m just going to be obsessed with it, you know how a little toddler looks at their hand for like…

Josh:  Look at pokemon go right now 

Paul:  Yes, exactly

Josh:  Oh my God, we have grown adults that are banging their heads at the goal post, trying to chase a little character, you know, so we can’t be a victim 

Paul:  No

Josh:  We choose to be a victim if we want to or we can choose to use technology and transcends it.  You know, there’s a really good author, this is another thing for the audience a really valuable book I would recommend you must, everyone reads and it’s Kevin Kelly’s “The Inevitable”  

Paul:  Oh right

Josh:  Kevin is the founder, he was the founder of wired magazine, right?  And so, he started all this technium theory.  And so his book he talks about this “we’re at the beginning of the beginning of what’s to come for tech”.  We’re like a baby zygote we’re even born yet.

Paul:  Yes 

Josh:  We’re not even figuring out the hand yet, we’re more thinking about like, what’s this pneumatic flu that I’m in right now, you know, we’re so early, we’re so early man.  

Paul:  Very very cool.  I want to switch gears just a little bit and take things back to, How did you get into this industry?  I want to know what made it motivated you, what inspired you to actually help people so much by using these devices but more importantly, what your journey was to get in here on a personal level?  

Josh:  Yes, so cutting it way back when I was little kid, my mom was manic bipolar and so when I was a little kid home was not really a safe place so at this time I needed a way to cope, a lot of people deal with this, where they have people in their lives family members that have emotional disturbances, that are mental health disturbances and so at that time my dad left home when I was 2 he was dealing with some cognitive dissonance of it’s own from a cycle of his parents that didn’t give him.  And so what happens to me is I didn’t get the psychological or the physiological tools that I needed to be really well to have wellness and so to no surprise that stress, I started to formulate this beliefs at an early age where “hey people can’t be trusted” because my mom is on it.  This is an old story that I have allowed to play before I wrote my new one so I’ll go back into the old one but definitely not the one that I focus on now but it’s really of service to the audience because unless we’re aware of what we believe like what are our beliefs, those beliefs will run on a subconscious level and it will be a broken record forever.  So, no.1 I believe when I was a kid that people can’t be trusted.  No.2 my dad was off working so I thought “oh people that work and people that make money are bad so money is evil” and then bad thing seemed to happen to me because I was just this little kid without tools and so my 3rd belief was “oh,well, people can’t be trusted and expect the worst to happen”.   That’s a no surprise like with these beliefs, that’s a lot of pressure for a young kid to feel and so I needed a way to kind of deal with that and so I found the drug and it was a powerful one and it was food and so I would use food as a way to numb out as a way to not experience the pain that I have in my chest and to no surprise at all by the time I’m 20 years old, 21 years old, I’m 280 lbs, I was in a career I hated, I was in a relationship that I despised, I was just disgusted with how I felt in my body, I mean literally kind of like the bottom of the barrel for my first 2 decades here on the planet.  And so I will never forget this man, I was at a party and I was drinking, a lot of people use alcohol as a way to numb out, well I was, when I was 21 and I slammed the cup down, I already tried to lose weight a few times before and I just felt this feeling like there was this spark inside me and it was this message and it was just this drive and it was like, there’s more to life than this, there’s more to life in feeling uncomfortable, in drinking, in numbing out and I knew I didn’t have what I needed to succeed so I just slammed the cup down and I ran home drunk, literally, so I’m like running home drunk for 3 miles, kind of like a bigger guy and I get home I pulled in the computer and I typed in how do I change my life, like how do I be well.  And so, the next year was this process of me selling everything I owned, doing a bunch of starvation diets, losing and gaining weight to finally be so frustrated that I just moved to Hawaii and in Hawaii I saved up money, I was surfing, I was hiking, I was fishing and I was researching how do I be well, how do I take care of my body?  And so when I’m out there I’m working out no a gym and a manager at the gym at a 24 hour fitness came out to me and said “hey you should think about being a trainer” because I had worked out and lifting weights in high school, so I had knowledge in how to lift weights, so I turned to him and said “what’s a trainer?”, I don’t even know what a trainer was and that’s what I end up doing for the next 10 years, it was just beautiful path for me to help people experience transformation for what I was hungry for myself, you know, so that was my genesis, I’m like really stemming from pain and then of course having a big breakthrough where at the end of my 10 years I was so frustrated about the physicality aspect not believe in myself because by the way those beliefs were still there I still thought that people couldn’t be trusted when I was 13.  This is just 5 or 6 years ago I still thought that things are going to happen, I still thought that money was evil.  So, I got to when I say get to because I didn’t have to, we didn’t have to do anything like I got to, to some very intense personal development training where I got to look at these beliefs, go through them, process them and be aware of them, take ownership on my life take personal responsibility, have conversations with my father that I hadn’t spoken to in 2 years to tell him “hey I love you and I know you did the best you could”, to have a conversation with my mom and said “I know you’re perfectly imperfect and I love you too, I know you gave me the best you could” and so these were the conversations that I needed but in that time I have left training completely, I have taken a complete break from fitness and health because this beliefs that I were just over bearing and I allowed those beliefs to create the space where I just thought I wasn’t a good coach anymore.  So, I took 2 years away from coaching completely then I found that movie “Personal Gold” after my personal development, actually I’m making that connected right now at your show I saw a personal gold after my personal development and that’s when I found digital health and that’s when I had to breakthrough where I thought, you know what I had a decade of training clients and there’s this new mode of tech, why not combine technology fitness and emotion together and that’s what I do with wellness first.

Paul:  I love it, I love it so much.  Tell me a little bit more.  So, that is how you connect, that is what wellness for is you connect technology with mindfulness and wellness but how?  Give me an insight into you connecting with a client as a platform and then you moved on, tell me a little bit.  

Josh:  Yes, so, I put on a podcast, a weekly podcast and we talked about behaviour change, no.1 changing behaviour and then no.2 wellness technology.  So, those are 2 facets that most guests talk about and so I put up a podcast, I put up blogpost, that’s very detailed to give people tools and techniques and tactics and I’m also in the process of creating an online course for people where they can use technology to beat decision fatigue.  You know, a lot of times with people is, it’s not that they need more knowledge, it’s that they need the bridge between knowing and doing.  You know, should I, or should I not, should I make the right choice, what do I eat, what do I do, all these different pieces.

Paul:  Analysis Paralysis

Josh:  Analysis Paralysis, deer in the headlights and so what I’m creating with this course is just, you know, 20 different modules so people can go through and really understand, “okay these are the tools I get to use, this is the mindset pieces that work, this is why those tools where created in the first place and then these are the results that I’m working to”. So, we go over like reverse engineering their wellness goal like once they pick the goal, then how much time, what’s the smart plan to approach that goal then what are the pieces we can put in place so that you can achieve that.  So, that’s kind of the core pieces that I do for content but then I also offer private coaching and in private coaching I go a lot more deep and we go one on one every week to figure out what are the things that are coming up in an emotional stand point and how is that emotion and those belief showing up in your data?  The data that is created by your fit bit by your track, so those are the ways in which I really serve people right now and my ultimate vision is to empower a million people to have better wellness through technology and emotion.  

Paul:  What a wonderful ultimate goal to be able to manifest day in and day out and incredibly a valuable tool that you are going to be for the masses and using technology to be out with a touch people exponentially, so cool.

Josh:  Thanks man, I want to reiterate too like it the technology is the tip of the sphere.  So, we get in to someone’s mindset in life with the tech ones we’ve opened up the framework to see what’s going on.  Then it’s all about behaviour change at that point, so I don’t want people to think that it’s just about the tech, its more about using the tech to actually see how you’re showing up and then what we get to change.

Paul:  Wonderful Josh, the talk has been amazing I just want to ask you a couple of questions before we go.  You’ve mentioned a whole bunch of different incredible tools that we can use, is there anything else out there that you could perhaps impart upon us that we can take away?  

Josh:  Yes, you know, we’re so inundating with tech right now and so I’m just going to plant a seed in everyone’s garden and hope it grows like when you choose a tool, make sure that you really understand why you’re choosing in the first place, don’t just do what your neighbour down the street did, think about your life, go through your creation process, get a coach, get a life coach, get a business coach, you get to do all these things because if you’re really creating, I don’t care if you’re in a corporate job or you’re a parent, or you’re a an entrepreneur, whoever you are, you’ve got to have support like give yourself the permission to have support and choose the right device.  The last device I’ll talk about is called “day one”, I love day one because it’s a journaling app and so what I do in the mornings I actually just open it up right now is I have 3 questions that I always ask myself in the morning and there are 3 powerful questions that work for me.  Everyone’s got to formulate their own questions though and go throughout discovery process but I ask myself, no.1 what do I want to feel today and what am I in the process of letting go of?  The 2nd question is, what way am I committed to being today and what project will I finish?  And then the last question is, what am I creating and what am I excited about.  So, I just, every morning, and it doesn’t have to be big journal entry that can just be 5 minutes but it’s just the intention of just the repetition of doing it, you know, the imperfect repetition of constantly asking those questions and putting them in there.  So, I think that’s the best take away for people is putting some emotion behind this tech.  

Paul:  I love that Josh, I don’t know if we mention in our chat last week but I actually go through a process of exploring a different wellness ritual every month and seeing how it adds and benefits to my life and I show that with my audience and one of the months that I chose is maybe 5, 6 months ago was to do a gratitude journal every morning and every evening and the benefits I got the filtering way I saw the world was so vastly and incredible amazingly more powerful than just simply the month before that and I used that as a tool ever since.  Perhaps not every single day but very consistently and it’s just helped to bring that bass level up a notch to be able to see everything through a greater appreciation and to be able to see everything with that extra element of gratitude, it just gives you that buzz.  

Josh:  Yes, that’s so powerful man, that’s so cool, it doesn’t have to be perfect right?  

Paul:  No

Josh:  Consistent

Paul:  That’s it, and it’s about being forgiving towards yourself, if you don’t do a day so what, you don’t do a day.  You know what I mean?  

Josh:  Yes, we’re not robots like we get to practice compassion, we’re not robots, and we’re human beings 

Paul:  Love it, love it.  One last thing, technology aside, do you have any last parting words or perhaps an action that people can take away that they can do today that you can see as value that would add to people’s lives.

Josh:  Yes, the no.1 thing that we all get to do is to pick a goal.  It’s something that I know is talked about a lot but I don’t think that most people actually choose like the power of choice, most people will say things like this “I want to try to be healthier, I want to try to lose weight, I’m going to try to spend more time with my family” and those are all great intentions but you know the road to hell is paved by great intentions, so like pick the goal, own the goal, and then work with somebody to reverse engineer from your goal so that you can actually plan the benchmarks along the way and I think that’s the most important thing whether you use technology or not, you know, just surrender to your goal like pick the goal, know why it’s good for you and surrender to it and start the process.

Paul:  Briliant, love it, where can we find you?  

Josh:  Well you can find me on the internet as Wellness First, WellnessFirst.com, if I said anything that sparked some kind of thought in anyone’s that listening or you feel like “who the hell is this guy, what is he talking about”, write to me it’s josh@wellnessfirst.com 

Paul:  Love that, brilliant dude and you have such an incredible podcast that I’ve listened to and a number of times, the way I see this world is we’re all in the same team, where we’re looking to get the same outcomes and if we bond together to be able to create this greater vibration that we’re all looking to feed off, the worlds going to be a better place.

Josh:  Absolutely man, thanks to what you do, this has been fun.

Paul:  Thank You Josh.