Don't Do Law (& Remember To Floss). Josh Gurgiel discusses his transition from people pleaser to finding syncronicity with his passion and soul

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Paul

Hey guys and welcome back to my Wellness Wishlist.  Today’s wellness titbit is surrounding happiness.  Happiness has an abundance of interesting associations with it.  For one, it’s contagious, if you associate yourself and continue to connect with truly earnestly happy people and keep them in your life, you will become truly happier there’s no other way around it.  Happiness is also associated with a great deal of many positive side effects.  There was a lecture done by Jeffrey Sachs and it was around a report that was the world happiness report.  It found that it offered many positive side effects including people living happy and longer lives that were more productive they earned more money and that will also bet them model citizens.  So, what are you waiting for?  Get happy!  Today’s guest is a young man by the name of Joshua Gurgiel, he like many of us grew up in middle class society with a great and vast amount of expectations placed on him by his environment and then he’s a good young man who achieves high results in high school would do.  He went to law school, he soon found out once he completed his law degree that law was not for him since then he’s chosen to follow his heart.  Along the way he has come across a great many hurdles personally that has challenged his ability to grow as a human being.  Now, I think the beauty of Josh as an individual is his openness and his vulnerability.  Those years ago when he had the courage to look within, it wasn’t easy it was like opening up pandoras box but he worked really really hard at being able to become a better version of himself and you’ll see in this interview he goes through all the trials and tribulations that he’s explored.  He cultivated this speech that he now delivers to many different organizations and has given a great number of young people to encourage to look within just like he did.  It’s entitle “Don’t do law and don’t forget to floss your teeth”, apart from being a hilarious sun of a gun, he’s the sweetest guy on the phase of this earth.  I’m sure you’ll get a great sense of his wide open heart and his ability to communicate a topic in a really beautiful fashion.  I don’t think the essence of what he’s talking about in this interview or in his speeches is don’t do law even though the speeches is entitled that, it is more follow your heart.  If your heart is to explore the law by all means go ahead and do it but let it for the right reasons.  Sit back and enjoy the interview and let me know what you think.  Josh Gurgiel!  How are you my man?  

 

Josh

Very good Pauly!  Very good!  Very good to be here.  

 

Paul 

Oh, Man! It’s an absolute pleasure to have you on the show.  We got together ourselves and our partners got together for some nice fish a few weeks ago and it seems like we kind of forgot that the girls where there 

 

Josh

Yes as if there are things we did out the  

 

Paul 

We just rub it on for a little while but we had such a great chat about life and everything in between and that was a really beautiful, meaningful chat about the meaning behind life and how I myself have missed the mark in the past I believe you have as well and it’s all learning experience and you know, you have been through some incredible trials tribulations and journeys that have bought you to where you are today.  You’ve kind of articulated this on a speech that you have presented to a few different organizations called “Don’t do law and remember to floss your teeth”.

 

Josh 

That’s it

 

Paul 

And you’re presenting this also next year at the Melbourne comedy festival, which I’ve so psyched to get involved in, I can’t wait to see it.  Josh why don’t you tell us a little bit about where you’ve been, where you’ve come from and where you are today?  

 

Josh 

Absolutely Pauly, Well, Yes.  First of thank you so much for having me and yes, my journey, you know a thing about my journey is I think it’s actually not at all unique it’s quite similar to a lot of other people or at least certainly the first part of it is and that’s actually really what has prompted me to come with a take of a bit of action, take a bit of a stand and create something that I can share with other who maybe gone to the same thing that I went through and try to enlighten and help them through that process because as the title of the speech that I’ve yet. it might, can have to give them a few different functions, and events, and schools and next year in the comedy festival, Don’t do law and remember to floss, essentially my journey started with a law degree like so many others, certainly so many others, you know maybe from my community, from the jewish community and it’s certainly from any sort of private school, you know competitive environment where that kind of academic excellence is very valued.  I sort of found myself just kind of been filtered into this carrer and this path, without really ever having giving a lot of deep thought as to what do I really want to do with my life and what are my talents, what are my interests and what what’s the best direction for me to take?  Whilst some at school and then sort of post school, I kind of always just failing to this sort of, I guess this is category of law degree, great degree to have that’s a great profession, you know so many have come before me and done that, you know it’s just a great direction for someone whose really looking to kind of strive for academic excellence so I sort of almost didn’t realize that I’ve just kind of fallen into this degree, post school and I think a lot of it kind of was born out of it and was facilitated by quite a bit of fear, you know just the sort of fear of actually investing in myself and trying and workout who am I and what do I want to be doing it was kind of easy I just sort of go along with this sort of degree that just everyone seemed around me seem to be saying was the best degree to have and a really good safe option, you know kind of all came out of this notion of just a good safe fall back option, that’s what you should do and that’s what you should kind of secure for yourself.  So, yes kind of find myself in this degree, university and absolutely just hated it, I mean hated every moment of it, I remember my first day, my first lecture I just, I guess I was just dumb founded this to how wrong it was for me, sitting in that lecture theatre and thinking how in aligned I was with the subject matter and with almost the people in there I guess I wasn’t hone, but I guess the stubborn persona that I am and just to fit in, the fear of failure and the fear of the unknown and of the kind of, you know, the kind of big bad world out there it was a lot easier just tell them to stay in this degree that I felt gave me some level of security and just kind of chip away at it and every semester I mean I had a nervous breakdown sort of every twice every year it got practically because I came to exam times, it was so overwhelming and it was so wrong for me.  I would sort of say, well if I fail the subject I’m out, I’m done, I’m quitting and I’m moving on, I’m just done with law but I would scrape through with the 51%  or whatever it was, found myself continuing on.  So, I found myself in the end with a law degree and kind of having finish this degree, I also did commerce, I do a double commerce law degree major in marketing in commerce, which is always interested me a lot more.  I was always kind of an area that I was much more suited to but again with kind of all the different pre… I’d say precious but all the different, all of my environment kind of different people all advising that law was such a good degree and such a good option.  I guess I kind of embodied that, I took that on and end up falling myself working in a law firm because just seem to be the direction to be going, you know and everyone else is going in and that was kind of  the same for me and that’s where it really kind of hit the fan because I started to kind of understand after about a year of practicing that I really was doing myself and the firm with this status because I was in no way actualizing any of my potential, I was in no way reaching the kind of potential that I could reach if through my work and thereby the firm was suffering because  they have employed someone who just really his heart wasn’t in it and who wasn’t really able to give them the best quality product that they deserve.  I got to a point where I start to understand, you know what, I could see other people in the firm who’ve been there for 5, 10, 15 years that probably kept putting up thinking, I’ll take 3 years and I’ll move on, I’ll do 5 years I’ll get to a certain level and then I’ll move on and eventually they found themselves in this role, in this job that they’d kind of hated and it was wrong for them just as it was for me and almost felt now really, sort in a prison area, in prison in his job because they now almost couldn’t leave, sort of the salary that they were earning and then the status that they’d earned and all of that it was too light almost for them to stop fresh so I sort of identified that no, this is wrong, I’m not doing myself any favours staying in this job and it’s time to move on and actually start investing in who am I, what do I, what am I good at, what am I interested in, how can I fuse those 2 to actually reach my best potential and give of myself in the best way because I certainly wasn’t doing that in that rob

 

Paul 

Josh this is the reason I’ve got you on the show because from a bird’s eye perspective you were not the guest that I would normally have on the show.  You don’t have a conventional career that is directly related to treating people holistically or whatever it might be but the way you have look at your life with a manner of introspection and self examination is really an inspiration for so many other people that are in your position and I think the experience that you have had can be such a valuable pointy of lesson for so many others that may have those obstacles ahead of them so what actually was going on with you internally at that point and how did you kind of break that down in order to move on in the future?  

 

Josh 

You know, I think it had to, well it was a shame that it had to but what ended up happening is I’ve got to such a point of just being so discontent with my day to day and that’s kind of what it came down to, you can sort of feel overwhelmingly whether it’s depressed or whether it’s just you know not feeling a sense of fulfilment but it kind of boil down into a day to day basis I was, I call it the sad lemming walk.  You know that guy Lemmings from <inaudible>, you know all this kind of green humanoids just kind of walking following just kind of in purpose just sort of walking, right?  That’s how I ended up looking at it on a day to day basis, I would kind of get off the train at William street and flags up station I walked a sort of 400 meters to the office with all the other sad lemmings and with also just been trudging along in the city in our suits and what not, I just got to a stage where I started to, almost have a physical reaction to that, I started to realize like, to be able to sit back and look at myself and look at where I was and more so, then look ahead.  I think what it also did for me was feeling discontent in the moment but then looking ahead and thinking how can I be the best boyfriend, and husband, and father, and community member, and just human being if everyday it’s eating away at me that little bit more I’m getting that little bit more discontent with everything else because I’m finding no meaning and deriving no purpose in the day to day and it got to such an extent, what end up happening for me, I guess what was lucky is I think in a real kind of find or need you, someone we need just to have that turning point, that bench mark that is the real fork in the road.  And for me it was also practicing for a year as a lawyer and I was then being admitted because you do like an internship, you practice for a year and then after that you complete that year, you’re then formally qualified as a lawyer.  So, I got to that point and that’s the point where everyone’s put in their preferences as to where they are going to be positioned in the law firm and that’s a real dangerous moment because once you kind of get a position, very often a lot of people just get very stuck because they’re in this job, they’re in this practice group within the firm and they just get, you know, that becomes their world, quite hard for some people to break out of that, so I had to make a decision, do I want to, you know.  Do I want to be put somewhere in this firm to then just work it out in the firm or is this my point to say hang on a second enough is enough this is the time where I can actually say no I’m done and that’s what it came to at that point I think I was able to just find a strength as well as, there was one, it’s a great story, there was one occurrence that happened very close to that timing that really opened my eyes and I started to sort of you know, as we’ve discussed quite often, some to look up the universe and starts to kind of really listen to the universe, listen to the signs.  What ended up happening was very close to being admitted and I was working at my computer one day I had some music on them my head phones in and my Ipod, my Ipod was on shuffle at that time I had like 2,000 songs on it and it was on shuffle, a song came on a great punk song that I love by a band called Ignite the songs called “A place called home” and the song played, I loved that song and I listened all the way and kind of get down with my work and didn’t think much of it and then the next song came on it was the exact same song but this time from a different, from Ignite’s  best sold album, so the first one was like from the album, you know the original album and then came off again from the best of album.  I thought that’s pretty weird the same song played twice in a row on absolute shuffle like complete coincidence. Again, thought it was weird but kept on going until eventually the next song came on, 3rd song and it was the exact same song now from their live album so it was a place called home 3 times in a row and that just freaked me out I mean I just didn’t know what to do with myself.  My ipod is talking to it or something’s going on here I didn’t know the universe was trying to say so naturally I turned to the all mighty power, the all knowing power, which is google and I typed in Josh Gurgiel, this is complete story, Josh Gurgiel plus three times plus the place called home and what came up was a commentary I’m quite a religious person and a commentary on the book of Joshua, which said so God told Joshua three times to be strong and of good courage and for that was almost enough just to think, you know what, I know how, how.. Yes.  Dissatisfied I am it’s time to make a move and it’s time to start actually looking inwards and figuring out, having the bravery and the guts of figuring out what actually was right for me what I want to do and get out of what was wrong for me, that time off.  

 

Paul 

It’s incredible because this universal power whatever it manifest in any individuals life whether it’s Hashem, God, Allah, whatever it may be it is a power that speaks to many of us 

 

Josh 

I thought, you can’t deny however you want to categorize it.  It’s irrelevant to categorize it in my opinion it’s the importance is just that force.  

 

Paul 

Absolutely, absolutely, you know its side note, you know Ignite being a bloody awesome band playing the same song 3 times in a row, winning.

 

Josh 

Yes, you know, that’s it, I thought really there’s 2 things clearly it’s telling me to listen to more ignite and I reckon they are the best, but what was so interesting, what was so amazing about that occurrence as well is I absolutely love punk music like it’s a real passion of mine.  I play in a punk band, I’ve just always love punk and I think those who knows me are very surprised by that and when they don’t associate me with punk music or with liking punk, many people think I’m more, bit more backstreet boys than blood for blood and I guess that’s maybe based on my personality and what not but punk is such a big part of my life and it’s something I love so much and I found myself in my car fist pumping with my middle finger up in the air you know, which is so incongruent with the rest of my personality but having said that this is a big part of me that makes me who I am and the fact that was through a punk song that really was a turning point for me start actually looking inward and identifying who am I that’s quite fitting, I’m thinking quite almost poetic 

 

Paul

And also the very essence of the name of the band that you’re listening to, Ignite it’s like this sign to be able to like suck a lot of fire up your ass and let’s get going 

 

Josh 

Exactly and find a place called home 

 

Paul 

And find a place called home

 

Josh 

And it fit, you know

 

Paul 

Amazing!  And so what kind of advise for those of us who have, and I know there was so many people out there from your community from other communities who wherever they might find themselves when they find themselves in that very position that you were in, whether you get signs from ignite or not how would you recommend, what advise can you really impart on people to be able to say take a moment, step back, asses your life, asses your feelings and make a move that is going to serve you as oppose to serving the people around you.

 

Josh 

And it’s such a hard thing because I think you know so often we just don’t take the time to stop and to think and I think that’s a real issue you know, today we’re all so busy and everything is immediate, you know as we just know and this common, you know in the world in which we live everything is now, now, now, go, go, go it’s very hard always to just take that time to stop and I think what I found was most valuable actually for me, which really set me on this path and on this direction was actually seeking out therapy and speaking to a therapist because I knew something wasn’t right and I wasn’t feeling right and you, you know, I’m just not operating my best self.  Now, it’s very hard to do it on your own to take huge, huge life steps on your own but doing it with someone or seeking out, you know what it’s professional help obviously is hugely valuable but maybe not everyone has the means and is able to seek that out but even if it’s just, if it’s not professional but if it’s seeking out help from those around you and from your loved ones because it’s very hard to find that in a strength on your own but talking to someone and actually being able to take a step back and vocalize and voice what is going on inside him, what you might be feeling and how you find yourself in a situation allows those whether its your loved ones, friends and family around you or whether its someone who is qualified to actually look at your situation and maybe offer some help and advise and guidance.  For me that was a huge turning point because the therapist that I saw was very, I was very fortunate that was just the right fit.  It was someone who really understood what I was looking for in life and gave me the tools to be able to empower myself and start looking inwards and stop, you know.  Making that time to stop, and to think, and to asses and from there I was able to really start identifying the good and the bad and then equipping myself with tools to move away form the bad and towards the good and towards the journey that I knew was waiting for me and how to begin 

 

Paul 

It’s beautiful, I mean just to be able to as you were saying, identify something was a miss or something was not quite congruent with the way you saw yourself in the future it’s allowing yourself really to become vulnerable 

 

Josh 

Scary very scary 

 

Paul 

It is scary it is a completely very scary experience but I know very few people that have dived in to the ocean and not come out a stronger person as a result of it 

 

Josh 

Exactly right, I mean the way I always look at it is the minute something goes even remotely wrong with our body the minute we have a little sniffle we run to the doctor, you know in order for ourselves diagnosed and to seek help you know in order to offset whatever we’re feeling but somehow we still have this stigma, we still have this aversion to seeking out help maybe from a extra stantial perspective or from a psychological perspective and a mental health perspective we still have this kind of I don’t know a stigma of weakness associated to it ultimately at the end of the day being vulnerable and opening yourself to that vulnerability to explore your own mind and explore the health of your mind is equally if not more important than anything because ultimately our thoughts and our state of mind really can dictate everything else around us and I order to be able to access that and to be able to access the best things in life I think we have to be able to come at it for a positive mental state and opening yourself up to that vulnerability is the first step of actually opening up your mind 

 

Paul

I love it, love it.  Okay, you’ve stepped into the vulnerability, you’ve dipped your toe into this ocean, you’re vulnerable, you’re bare naked for the world to see, tell me how you feel now?  I take at you that at this stage you’ve quit law.  You are for all intensive purposes unemployed, you know.  

 

Josh 

What ended up happening, well I was so lucky and it was another one of these universal experiences one of this universal signs that set in motion another chain reaction that led to the right place and it was all about timing so what ended up happening was I, I was at the firm and I was attending my launch like a business leaders launch as that was called, and as these launches you have you have a firm withhold that we invite different kinds of business leaders from different industries to come and attend and there was always a guest speaker.  So, this launch that I happened to attend the guest speakers was the, I think it was the CEO or CFO of village roadshow, right?  And I was talking to him and he was the guest speaker and he kind of gave his keynote address and his whole talk was about movies and about just how his job entails just working with film and buying, and selling, and promoting, and immersing in film.  Now, a passion of mine is always been equally with punk rock is movies.  I just, everything about it, watching trailers is just about as pleasurable and experience as I can possibly have in life 

 

Paul 

Oh my God

 

Josh 

The excitement around a film release is just, it is my happy place

 

Paul 

We’re 2 piece in a pod my friend 

 

Josh 

Very, very much, you know the feeling.  So, you can imagine, I’m in this job, I’m in this environment that I’m just so probably aligned with and just finding no, driving no meaning from and here’s this guy talking about movies and that’s all what he does all days working with movies.  So, for me that was a turning point because I was direction less at that point.  I knew I was unhappy but I just couldn’t seem to work out how to crack in to film it’s funny I knew that was an area I want to crack in to that was something I was starting to explore and it was so difficult because I lacked any real film experience, you know I applied for job at film Victoria it’s like essentially an entry level secretarial role and didn’t even get a response, Oh I do, I got a response saying, “sorry you have absolutely no qualifications, we can’t look at you”,  I was a lawyer but I had no qualifications so why would they look at me?  And I kind of disapprove this whole notion that having a law degree is a great degree and it opens doors and all this stuff because there’s no door opening in the industry that I actually wanted to work in.

 

Paul 

Spot on

 

Josh 

So, what happen was I ended up seeing this talk and it opened my mind and I said, “ you know what village road show, that’s where I want to work, that’s what I want to be doing” it’s a company that I wanted to be associated with, well at least in film something in that area.  So I started to kind of look into that and start to talk to people and start to kind of find how can I maybe start having the direction for myself to get out of law to a something I wanted to be doing.  What was unbelievable was, you know, when I talk to you earlier about that comments having people in your life to consult with, you know I was fortunate enough to see a therapist but I was also very fortunate enough to have a mentor who actually works in advertising and again in the area that I was also interested by some marketing degree, so he was a mentor of mine and he always been trying to help carve out a direction out of law.  Well, once I saw this talk aside to kind of look around and a job came out at an advertising agency working on the roadshow films account, so I thought, Oh my God like this is just meant to, you know serendipitous it’s perfect.  So, I called my mentor and I was about, I was wanting to discuss a role with him and the company was called OMD, that was the agency and even before I’ve mentioned the job or mentioned roadshow or mentioned the name of the company he said to me you know what I’ve got a contact with a company called OMD I think I’m going to put you in touch with them and I said that’s ridiculous that’s the company that I called you to ask about because there’s this job open and from there essentially a chain reaction in motion he put me in touch with the managing director we had a fantastic meeting a job came out not on the roadshow account, that was too senior for me but a job came up as an entry level media, it was a media agency in a entry level like media assistant was the job and this was a major peak cut it was a major status sort of cut, it was, you know.  I was going to a job that was essentially, I was 29 at the time and essentially the company was 21 year olds in this job and I was kind of going in at that same level but I have to make a decision because I have to think to myself, ok do you want to stay on this, you know, prestigious job in law or you want to actually start a path to working towards an area and a line of work that you’re actually interested in and suited to.  So, ultimately I got off at this job as a media assistant and I took it, it was 3 weeks before my wedding so it was the craziest time ever to be changing jobs but I just knew that this was the vision and I started to have that vision that I was going to work on the roadshow’s films account, that was my goal, that is where I want to be, I wanted to work in advertising for roadshow films.  So, I joined the agency it was an absolute slob to begin with, it was a really difficult adjustment, a difficult change, it was turbulent, my boss was an absolute nightmare, it was really tough but in about a year and a half of hard hard work and slobbing it out, knowing that I had a direction finally in my life, somewhere I wanted to head I managed to then entering and get a job in the roadshow films team to movie and then work on films, so it was having that vision and focus and knowing what I wanted just unacquittically towards it at that I was able to achieve what do I have to achieve.   

 

Paul 

I’m going to ask you a question that perhaps you may not be able to answer through any you know, conventional means it may involve mysticism or whatever it might be but what do you think in the universal sense was behind the various different  docks that were all just seriously placed in a row to pay this part for you?

 

Josh

That is such a good question and I have such a fervent belief in my answer to this because what I really believe was behind it was the, almost the tools and the secrets that I’ve been exposed to, through the therapy I’ve went to, to the soul existential therapy that I’ve went to as to out power as human beings to manifest our own reality and our own future because there’s no question in my mind that we work intended with the universe.  We both, the force, Hashem, Allah, whatever we want to call it, I believe we have to play our part in creating reality it’s not purely sent from above and it’s all purely just bestowed upon us but it’s a unity, it’s a connection that we thought that creates these docks that they lined up.  So for me through out this process I was in this therapy and I was learning this tools of visualization and actualization and of mantra’s and understanding how I can wire and rewire my own my own mind and you know through affirmations and all of these tools that instead I really embodied and took on in order because I really believe that we all hold that power to create our reality and we look in to quantum physics and to all these sort of deeper sciences now that explain the notion of reality and potential and all these things but that is something that I really something to immerse myself and get, you know, I was almost like that was an interest of mine that was laying dormant and the minute that I was exposed to it, it just exploded within me and I was just so in passion with it so yes through that work that I did I got this job at RMD because I was working with my therapist to visualize this job on a daily basis 3 times a day I would meditate on these visualizations that I was kind of learning create and it was no, the craziest coincidence that it was that I ended up, I’ve been working for about 6-7 months with this therapist to create this visualizations of where I want to be heading and I ended up getting the call offering me the job whilst I was in session with this therapist.  So, all these coincidence seem to happen, you know they are coincidences in that sense but at the end of the day in my opinion they are the universe answering and working together with me as we and in this canny hippie as it sounds but for me it is absolute truth, it was a connection that was being forged in order to manifest this reality that I’ve never sided I wanted for myself that I have now decided that I wanted for myself that I never had before.  

 

Paul 

It’s amazing; you know we’ve discussed this before.  Whether you believe in the laws of manifestation or not, you are still going to manifest your future, so if your going to sit there and think you’re not going to amount to anything, guess what?  

 

Josh 

And what exactly, and unfortunately sealing that book, you know, you’re sealing that fate 

 

Paul 

I guess the moral of the story is we all have a pen in which we can all write our future and we do it in tandem with the force and there’s a dynamic between us and the universe and this energetic existence that is so present in so many peoples consciousness it’s just about raising the vibrational level of awareness for so many others that can 

 

Josh 

Exactly

 

Paul 

That can really, really, tap in to it.  It’s such an enormous passion of mine.  We’ve talked at length over structures about this and it lightens my heart after we do have the discussion because it’s such a beautiful thing to talk about and we’ve also talked about remaining in contact with people that are like minded and then it’s going to lift you up on an individual level, community is such a beautiful thing and to be able to exist around people that are like minded and that are going to help you create your own reality is 

 

Josh 

Absolutely

 

Paul 

Is such a valuable experience 

 

Josh 

It’s so, so true and in part of our why I’ve been sold to craft and I’ve crafted this talk, this exploring this topic and actually trying to get it out there talk to crowds and particular young people who have kind of starting this journey and are in that sort of high school university phase of their life where they really are in the point where they can start assessing and questioning and making and making this decisions the reason why I wanted to tap into this space is because I just think it’s such an important message and topic to broach and then unfortunately just isn’t broach enough, I think something that I have a big issue with I absolutely love every minute of my school, I loved it, I went to a great school, I really couldn’t been happier and feel I got a phenomenal education but when I look at, I went into a jewish school and the jewish education that I got unfortunately I just feel was lacking a little bit, that element of spirituality.  We learn the practice, we learn the history but I felt there’s a little bit missing in terms of spirituality and what it all means, as we said as we kind of keep saying, regardless of how you categorize that force, that energy and that permeates to all of us.  Irrespective how you categorize it there is the spirituality there that we can all tap in to regardless of whether your religious person or not and

 

Paul 

It’s ironic isn’t it?

 

Josh

It is pure ironic, actually some of the least religious people are actually the most enlightened and that is something that I’ve identified as a real disconnect in the education system and what flows from out as well I think is this failure to encourage students both in high school and university to truly introspect because we sort of said it at the start to kind of unto fuse these 2 to fuse the spirituality and understanding of  the power of our own minds and our own intention as well as the power of our own introspection and fusing the 2 in order to start manifesting the reality we create and that’s something that I’m hugely passionate about and wanting to at least start the conversation you know and at least get young people and old alike because we all have this responsibility and we’re all struggling doesn’t matter if you’ve been working for one year or 50 years we all are still looking for meaning in what we do and constantly on a journey so for me it’s about prompting that discussion and surrounding ourselves with people who want to talk about it.

 

Paul  

It’s an incredible mission.  Why do you suppose that so many young people our age and younger are really starting to ask these bigger questions?  I feel like there are people at our parent’s age, you know baby boomers that had slightly different of priorities in life 

 

Josh 

Totally

 

Paul 

Why do you suppose it is becoming more present in our generation and below 

 

Josh 

I think you’ve hit upon it perfectly.  I think we use, let’s all use the jewish community as an example particularly here in Melbourne.  We have that kind of post holocaust generation that came and it’s not only jewish, it’s that kind of that generation of kind of really establishing and building Australia essentially building the cities and industries and what not, but yes certainly from a holocaust, from jewish perspective, holocaust survivors came and that had survived just the greatest horrors known to men that no human being should ever be exposed to, they survived this, they come to a new land and all that was important to them was safety and security and that was it because they had such a lack of safety ad security for so long that they all they really valued where was to just ensure that not never happens again to the minute they were able to, you know create a life that was secure and that was reliable so they came with that effect and naturally that was imparted on to their children so that’s sort of a bit baby boomer generation and that’s sort of pre baby boomer and baby boomer generation where, you know, what was just nailed and drilled in was this concept of security and there’s no surprise that many of them then went into this so called safe professions; accounting, law, medicine, these very sort of at that time standard very safe, very prestigious jobs that would secure their future, secure financial future and a certain standing, looking the need to ensure that we could remain and safe as possible.  That is absolutely no, you cannot blame it, you cannot perhaps we could never possibly fathom the mentality that they had based on what they’d experience it was so understandable that that was their mentality but I think what’s end up happening is a third generation now, our generation that kind of removed specially as in our case you know the holocaust survivors passed on so there’s not that sort of lingering mentality of safety and security because we can see first hand what was experienced and weaknesses, you know what I mean?  Learn first hand but as we come and move away, further away from, from the start as we do and so many other factors in our, of that make up our generation and millennial, so generation make up who we are, we start moving away from that notion of security and safety and that being the most important thing.  I think what’s become the most important thing is our own conceptualization and that notion that we can do anything and we definitely have that, our parents I think kind of passed that down to us almost possibly as a response to what was passed on to them.  They were kind of told you, you must do this and as a kind of medium they kind of told us, you can do anything because they’ve essentially secured us and set up a life for us where we can do anything because they sort of went in to those safe options to secure their future we’re kind of that, the rubber band effect I think.  

 

Paul 

I completely agree with you and I had this discussion with a number of people I just don’t feel like our grandparents were afford of the luxury of

 

Josh 

There were self assessment, they could all of that absolutely to decide because their no.1 priority so completely understandable was the security of their family, there was no such thing as introspection for them it was all about how can I secure my families future and that’s right our parents kind of what would kind of caught in between, in between that, in between the pressure from their parents to ensure and to pass on that security, at the same time a new generation and then having kids passing on a kind of new world thinking to our generation and we, yes we’re certainly into that insta gratification sort of generation as well.  You look at our rate of turnover and our kind of just how many jobs will have in a lifetime we sort of jump and jump as our parents been at the same job for 50 years you know, there’s that loyalty and commitment where as we just want to everything and but I think for me it’s all about the balance, it’s about learning from the previous generations and that we can learn so much from their ethic and what they, you know how they approach their work and in terms of that work ethic that they had and that concept of loyalty and working hard at something not just thinking you’re going to go in and in 6 months time you’re going to be made CEO.  They understood what it takes to build a career and I think we can learn a lot from that rather than just jumping from job to job to try and secure the most money and the most sort of prestige we can in a short span of time.  

 

Paul 

Absolutely, Josh take us to a little bit more of what you actually cover in your speech and you’re going to be covering the comedy festival because I actually can’t wait to hear it 

 

Josh 

Aboslutely, I mean, what I cover is sort of talking about my, coming festival is sort of, you know.  I told them accounts of my journey and I really try to dispel and really break down the little mentality and the reasons that I felt I was kind of guided by the community, by all the type of different forces into law and those kind of the 5 sort of statements that I kind of go through that I just like unequivocally wrong in my opinion, things like law opens great doors so things like law is a good degree to have or law is a high paying profession and things like that, which actually through my research and through my experience which start to see as just not true and just actually giving the students and giving this called young adults this false sense of security.  So I’m really trying to break down first of this false sense of security that we kind of have this mentality is to why we do law but you know it’s not enough to say don’t do law for me it’s about empowering as we have sort of spoken and empowering people who are really looking to try and find their direction, empowering them as to how to go about that and how we can look to find our direction and as we’ve been talking about the power of positive thoughts understanding the universe and it’s time to understand the power that we have within and not just being kind of at the whim of the world around us and ultimately then, then you’re just in a casual, casual environment trying to discuss the meaning of life so it’s really just, you know.

 

Paul 

Whatever 

 

Josh 

Whatever right?  It’s a pretty easy topic there’s so much to it, so yes.  

 

Paul 

Josh I want to thank you so much for coming on the show I mean we could sit here and talk forever as we have done on may nights previously

 

Josh 

Aboslutely

 

Paul  

You’re going to be speaking at the Melbourne Comedy Festival I’m going to word out My Wellness Wishlist Community about when you’re actually out talking, those of you who are residing in Melbourne or around Australia, get down and see Josh.  It’s going to be a while of ways you got plenty of time maybe those who are overseas buy tickets, fly over, it’s called “Don’t Do Law and Remember to Floss”  and one last question josh

 

Josh 

Of course

 

Paul 

How many times do you floss?

 

Josh 

I’m a one’s  day flosser, there’s 2 schools whether ones or twice a day but I feel ones insufficient but ones a day is crucial because at the end of the day, what’s the point of self actualization of reaching your potential and really making you know, deriving meaning from your life if you got terrible teeth, if you look like a toothless, you know, what’s the point.  

 

Paul

No point , vanity, so what’s you’re saying is vanity his words at 

 

Josh 

Well you know

 

Paul 

Or oral health 

 

Josh 

What I’m saying is you know, it’s all about looking after yourself 

 

Paul 

And might I say, you have some beautiful pearly whites 

 

Josh 

Ah, Paul, far too kind as usual 

 

Paul 

Thank You once again my man, you’re an absolute champion 

 

Josh

It’s a real pleasure and honour to be here talking with you and just wish you and your audience all the best 

 

Paul 

thank you very much mate

 

Josh 

Thanks mate

 

Paul 

Alright there you go guys Josh Gergiel a true gentleman and a smart cookie to boot.  Running along with my one month at the time I got to tell you my yoga becoming a part of my life again has been a truly, it’s been a true blessing actually, just getting on that mat and doing anywhere from five to ten minutes through to an hour a day has just been awesome.  I’m not going to ramble on any longer guys enjoy the rest of the week and I shall see you in the next