Guys. Episode 50!!!! Very exciting!! I couldn't think of anybody more fitting than Howard Martin from Heart Math Institute. He explains the power of the heart beautifully, with science to back it up. Something we all should know a lot more about. I attended his lecture last night and it is stuff we all need to know. 

Podcast Highlights

 

2:05 - Heartmath’s role on disruptive change

6:31 – Ancient understanding of the heart

10:24 - 2 worlds

12:45 - Connection of the heart and brain

17:24 - Experiments

 

Paul

Howard I want to Thank you so much for coming on the show I really appreciate you taking the time out to speak to us you’ve got such a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the heartt and its importance on an individual and the collective society in the universe we live. 

 

Howard

Well, thank you for having me Paul it’s a pleasure to be here and I want to welcome everybody who's giving their time and attention to your conversation, wherever you're listening to around the world and I look forward to the dialogue and see where we go with it.

 

Paul

Wonderful we’re just sitting in a restaurant having a casual conversation in Melbourne, hey Allen.

 

Howard

That’s it that’s the way we wanted to feel

 

Paul

Speaking of which you are actually going to be in Melbourne 2 weeks or so from this interview, I wanted to discuss and expand upon what it is you are actually going to be sharing with the lucky people that get to come and see you in your, a. your talks and b. your workshops

 

Howard

Yeah, thank you very much for that and I’m taking off my phone speaking to her the one for the rest of the year in Australia.  I’ve been to Australia a number of times I've always had a great time there, never had a bad experience in Australia, it's always been wonderful I made a lot of friends there over these years, which I’m looking forward to seeing you know I’ve been hanging with them this summer working, you know a lot in the business.  There’s a lot of changes happening at heartmath at the business and the business, so I’ve been pretty locked in to the business side of what we do and I’m really chapping at a bit to get out of here.  Get on that plane and go to Australia and get down there and talk.  So, I think you know the way I cram my talks is there's basic things that always talk about their core to heartmath into the heartmath brand and then also trying to tune in to where are things in the world right now, you know what's going on, so that what I say is current and hopefully applicable to the lives of people that I'm speaking to.  So, there’s meaning for them or context for them and that they have a feeling and an emotional experience that they carry forward after they live at the event that I’m speaking at and that’s always my goal.  So, right now I it’s important to understand that we're living in this era of disruption, where disruption is actually the constant.   There are many new models taking place, let’s say in business for example they’re changing completely how business is done, things like Uber and spotify, it just go on and on the list of new business models shaping the way in which we actually live and that’s just one type of disruption of course there’s plenty of social disruption we see that on the news every single day these are people happening everywhere political situations and tremendous amount of polarization and that’s not going to slow down any, there’s new disruptions on the way, you know there’s plenty more to come, we’re in an era of hostile change is actually an acceleration in evolution it’s not a bad thing it’s actually moving us forward as a global society and the planet itself is moving forward, it’s not bad but boy, it’s not easy to deal with either. 

 

Paul

Change it is

 

Howard

Never is, change is not a cool thing to deal with, so this disruption we have to learn to how to better deal with it

 

Paul

I wanted to mention, what role is the Heartmath Institute and your take on this disruptive change. How active and what role it’s going to be playing in these change?   

 

Howard

Well, we were designed from day 1 by Doc Childer founder to put out a system, a simple system of tools, techniques and technology underpin with scientific research, they can connect people with what is generically called heart and in our experience Heart is an intelligence it an intuitive intelligence we need that type of intelligence especially now to navigate these changing times.  There’s a disruption actually happening on us we’re evolving in the internal it’s super high speed as well, we see it at the external but we experience it internally and one of the new breakthroughs were having is the access to more practical forms of intuition.  That we have to have now to develop the solutions we need to navigate these changing times.  The slower logical linear process important as they are don't often work as well when we’re confronted with so much change.  So our role is just to continue expande the system and to share it with more people and we’ve been doing this now for over 25 years and there been millions of lives been touched  by Hearthmath all around the world but for me and for my colleagues here I don't feel like we've been doing this 25 years I just feel like we're just getting started

 

Paul

So amazing

 

Howard

You know there’s an excitement in the air from the about this whole thing so the lot of changes happening here in heartmath and how we go about that there will be new certification programs, new products our whole brand is changing.  When people come to see me alive, they’ll see a reflection of that new brand and the actual visual presentation that I have, you’ll see a new branding at heartmath’s putting out to the world and from me particular my role here as Executive Vice President and one of the key spokes people, what I'm really hoping to do is to create a much more coherent movement so to speak of adding heart in the world of people using simple methods of adding the qualities apart and everything they do whether it’s professionally whether they say a doctor adding some heart in the first 5 minutes of their interaction with a patient or school teacher or a mother working with their children, it just go on and on where the this principals can be easily applied and one of the things I want to do as well is bring together these needs of people who have already been exposed to heartmath in a more organized way.  So, that we are aware of each other, we’re aware of the stories we all have of what's been going on in their lives as they’ve been going through the use of our math material.  All the ways in which is (inaudible) lives I want that story to be told better and I want people to know about each other and I want them to connect with each other that’s all part of what is passionate for me right now is that connectivity between people really and especially within this very, very large heartmath community.

 

Paul

It’s beautiful, Do you think that there was a time in history where we as a people did rely more on our heart connections?  And if so when did we start to move towards this rationalization and what do you think it's going to take for us to move back to trust me a man’s intuition.

 

Howard

Well, first of all let me say, yeah I mean there’s plenty of evidence at heart was there been differently you know thousands of years ago people saw it as a source of central intelligence in the human system and I think that there was a deep understanding of heart but also in some ways rudimentary.  Heart is evolving too, everything is moving, everything is changing the relationship to heart there are understanding of it is all in the evolutionary process.  It was the, the most noticed historical shift was back in the sixteen-hundreds when an english physician Dr. William Harvey produced the first written research showing that the heart was wasn't a pump basically.  It was a 4 chambered organ in the body pumping blood and its people have reported on that, that research that he did and in one quote that I’ve read was when Harvey published his work, Heart lost his thought and thought lost it’s heart and so over the years through the process of what I call Medical reductionism, heart was relegated to be in this organ and then emotionally associated with very sentimental soft and sweet emotion that’s why people begin to see heart.  Now, in these times I think people are intuitively already sensing that there's a part of themselves that they’ve been cut off from, they can be rekindle and needs to be rekindled.  Life is not as fulfilling for many people as they wish it was it's a hard life, it's a life of lots and lots of stress and strain just from trying to live a normal life.  So, people are naturally turning deeper within themselves for no other reason that they want something better and so they’re looking in a bit more, whether they do that formally or not, the meditated practices or coming to see the little short southern skinny guy in Australia there’s a reason in which why people do it but they’re doing it more naturally as well.  And you know Paul I see it on younger people like yourself as I go around the world I learned a lot of people and I’m find that there are many younger people coming to the talks that I do now and what I see is it for someone like you, you haven’t gone through all the formalities that someone like I have, that I went through.  With all these 47 years of all these practices and disciplines and you name it, there’s something more intuitive happening in you and in the younger people.  You're already operating in another level of awareness and it's got a lot of heart in it, as you, the way in which the people move and flow and treat each other and the values that you take on and things like that and that's just an indicator of me that you know heart is coming into the world and then fill of consciousness. Not the books that we read or who we’re going to see speak it’s really coming in a different way and all I’m trying to do is one little guy is to try to facilitate that process try to add something to it that makes it easier for people to get on to something that they really are any have inside. 

 

Paul

Look, I find it's coming I think it's spot-on and it's coming at such an interesting time because we, you’re right, there is the younger generation like myself and people younger than me that I really trusting in that intuition and the face against certain challenges that brought up up by people, the generation above them and they're told to perhaps follow more rational path and everytime we do trust our intuition another road block comes by our culture around us, which I guess this is the challenge isn’t it?  It’s being able to create your in culture. 

 

Howard

Well, you know the way I see it, there’s 2 worlds happening on the same planet at the same time right now, one is the older world it’s not bad it’s produced the beauty and majesty that we see in the world today but also has many limitations to it and there’s a new world emerging, it’s emerging in consciousness and it’s filtering down on the way we begin to perceive, think,  feel basic human psychology.  So, you have these 2 polarized worlds, the older one doesn’t want to go away make sense you know it’s been there a long time it seems it checks it, it checks out and check’s imbalances it seems to make sense it’s something new is happening and so often what we see in the, so the social disruption is really the 2 worlds colliding old and new, you know, initially rub together there’s this friction and it causes lots of out brakes various kinds that’s what we see on the news.  So, the new world is emerging to me it’s not a matter of it’s a matter of when and the timing of it all and it's not again, I'm not judging or trying to separate things only old thinking or only new thinking.  I’m not trying to make it that black and white and I'm not trying to characterize the thinking that we’ve had just gotten as this far is wrong or bad but I have a belief that good can always get better and that’s what’s happening now we’re moving we’re evolving into something completely different unlike anything we have experienced on planet earth.  I get asked on interviews a lot, what do you think this new is going to be like and I finally realize that I had to come up a good, genuine, authentic answer for that, so my answer is I don't know.

 

Paul

Howard, I think your place and your organization’s place is so incredibly impotently important in this new world even though we don’t know where it's going to be because you are able to marry the spirituality with the science the rationalization that we’re also used to and condition to but this emerging culture that we’re also very excited about or a lot of us are and heartmath institute is able to couple this 2 apparently opposing forces to a lot of people but really, really coupling to a way where we can celebrate spirituality with a natural one.

 

Howard

No I give dark shoulder the founder part me thought me credit for that he recognize it, if you’re really going to have success in implementing a heart based approach to living into this modern society we needed to build a bridge from what people felt into intuitively and what they heard philosophically and spiritually down to something people could actually do and practice, science was the bridge that was chosen and then our researchers Dr. Roland Mc Criddie and then the research team has done a brilliant job at putting together the pieces of a story that we can all understand and then that scientific under pending allows for more belief it’s more solid when something’s proven scientifically to be empirical it just increases the power of belief now it’s more real and so in making it more real in that way, people can easily believe in something they want to believe in anyhow but sometimes we’re afraid to believe in because of what you said the suicidal programming,what's going on around us but you know we work on a lot of mainstream organizations at heartmath everything from major universities to police forces to the military officials in your country for example and your in years past and and one of the reasons why we can take it system like ours and why there's an interest in it is because we don't see it as soft and fluffy and sweet.  We talk about it from scientific perspective, we talk about how adding heart to, in anything you do creates a sense of resilience we use language if we’re talking to the military about things like courage and we use a term in a situational awareness when we’re talking to police officers, how do you bring in that clarity, how do you bring in that balance in that poor ways, how do you stabilize your emotions in the midst of doing something like police officers and military people have to do, the fact that it's heart based great, so, whatbut if you got an understanding that heart is communicating with the brain and the rest of the body and creates this effects now heart is acceptable and so it makes that bridge and that connection and that’s the merger you’re talking about how we merge spiritual principles with modern science to create something what’s practical for people.

 

Paul

Howard since you brought up the vast and very intrinsic connection between the heart and the brain can we break that down, can we dive a little bit further into that and get into the nuts and bolts of it

 

Howard

You know what turns out that the earth in addition to being a cardio vascular organ is actually an information processing center in our body, it sends lots of commands to the brain and to the entire system and these commands are essential for how our bodies function. It does it in 4 ways one is neurological, we have a nervous system in the heart, most people don’t know that, very complex nervous system thatcommunicates with the brain.  We have a biophysical communication meaning as the heart changes in beating patterns the blood pressure wave that is produced by the heart changes lots of physiology including electrical activity in the brain.  Heart produces hormones, who know that?  It produces very important hormones and it was atually reclassified in 1983 as being part of our hormonal system and lastly where it gets really cool for me is that the heart is an energetic organ, it’s electrical it produces it’s very strong bio electricity in our body the strongest source of bio electricity we have, that bio electricity creates an electromagnetic field that extends beyond our skin our of the space for about 3 to 4 feet surrounding us in 360 degrees that field is constantly fluctuating and changing and guess what changes it?  Our emotions, what we’re feeling emotionally imprints that field and changes it and so now we take it beyond our understanding of heart that it’s just a physiological level but now we take it into an energetic level.  Now, were talking physics rather than biology so the field of the heart relates to the little field of the brain.  My field can relate to the field of another and vice versa. What happens in a collective environment like lets say in the talks I m going to do an  australian when there s a bunch of people in there, what s that collective field doing with all the individual feels you know contributing to that and we ve even taken it further on understanding how our fields are affected by and also could be affecting the Earth s energetic fields.  So, we expanded all the way out to the global level of all that  the  energetic part of the heart communicating is where the new research is and where it’s most exciting. The other research that I mentioned is not just ours it’s just been well mapped out, now that the heart is an information processing center and it’s sending important information to the brain and the rest of the body.

 

Paul

I know you guys have been doing some research and some measurements of collective, of collective energetic intelligence, do you want to discuss and break down a little bit what type of measurements and what type of experiments you guys have been doing what?

 

Howard

Well there’s some simple experiments in many ways, you know one would be having people hooked up to heart rate variability monitors which are measuring estate coherence which is when the hearts rhythmic beating patterns are running in a very smooth and ordered way, having 40 people in a room 4 people at a table, 10 tables three of the people on each table has been trained for heart math techniques  the fourth one had and three people were instructed to get into a higher coherent state then send that feeling to the third, to the fourth person who was just sitting there and then when they did that at all ten tables the fourth person went to coherence, an energetic transfer is happening. Now, I think which  are also leading to is a part of heartmath part were non-profit, the institute of heartmath called the global coherence initiative and we are, we’ve placed monitors all around the world, we have six right now, we will eventually have more and these are global coherence monitoring systems and they are looking at changes occurring at the Earth’s energetic fields.  Those fields are named the Geomagnetic field and the Ionosphere this field surrounds the earth as a protective layer.  They are like energetic ecology, think I’m going that way and these fields have been known to lots of science now to be affecting human health and behaviour.  Plenty of research on that saying these fields are constantly fluctuating and changing, solar radiation, lots of things create changes in these, these energetic fields and they are affecting us.  So, we are measuring some of those effects and changes doing an amazing research showing that there’s a global synchronization occurring in all people when changes occur in the fields and we’re also testing hypotheses that we as a global society the seven billion of us that live here are actually affecting this field, so the communication is both ways.  So, there’s a lot  more to be done there and I know I’ve covered a lot of complex research in about a minute but that’s what we’re up to, so we’re looking at changes in these fields

 

Paul

To articulate that has there been any major world events that you have been able to measure that a collection or a large collective of people have made any intimate or meaningful change according to these barometers that you have?

 

Howard

I wouldn’t want to say so yet there’s a lot of indicators and certainly you know we have these global monitoring sites around the world there’s one in New Zealand that’s the closest one to you, we have one in  Saudi Arabia, one in Lithuania, Northern Canada, Northern California, South Africa, so data is coming back constantly to these research labs and so a lot of indicators are there but this is pretty interesting research and its not trivial and it’s important research.  So, the way our scientists function is that they don’t want to release anything or give too much information even to someone like me who’s a spokesperson until it’s published until there’s something really scientifically valid they publish the about at all. And the reason for that is so that it can be under it can be undermined more as challenge or challenged as much and written off as pseudoscience or something yeah and so I wish, I wish I actually had more information about what they’re saying. I wish I can actually share more but I understand the long-term implications of this

 

Paul

One hundred percent

 

Howard

You know certainly it would be great to use it all my talks I’m sure would sell a lot of tickets but uh but I think the thing to do now is to be prudent and to be very open talking about all the indicators and things that we see, you know, in terms of the global collective coherence is taking place and that’s one of the key points in, in my life talks is to talk about those things. But I don’t want to make claims yet about well we saw this event happen and you  know it causes change and we saw reflected in our data and you know it’s just that, it’s just a little too early for that

 

Paul

I get that you do talk a lot about energetic fields affecting other human beings and other humans energetic fields, your broaching the subject of quantum mechanics and non-locality. Do you want to expand upon that a little bit and just break that down for the listeners back well?

 

Howard

Well, I think you know that, I’ll talk about if I may in the context of intuition for example, which is an important part of our research and an important part of my talks, you know, the way researchers looked at  their three types of research you know, one is the type of intuition where you know there’s a direct knowing this where you sent something you know you get in a impulse inside yourself to do something or not do something it’s more of a feeling that it is the thought really, it’s more you feel right about this so you don’t feel right about this and there’s intuitive signals are always there we just become sort of desensitized to them.  We get so busy we’re running around we just sort of missed the cues all the time but that intuition is right there in front of her face that’s a direct knowingness then there’s you know sort of an energetic sensitivity that we have. That would be like, you know, maybe an example would be you’re out somewhere, you feel like somebody staring at you, you turn around there’s someone staring at you, you know, you sense something it’s the sensing that you’re getting about something happening in your environment and you pick up on that and she become more sensitive to what’s going on in and around your environment without really be able to think it all through  but there’s a sensing that you have and then what you’re talking to there’s also a non-local intuition which seems to defy time and space. That’s one person on the other side of the world gets an intuitive impression that something is happening and they verified and its in fact true, let’s say for example a mother who’s on a business trip certainly has this feeling inside that something may be going on with her child and she calls up and finds out that the people there say, yeah your child’s have a problem so we just took her to the doctor, you know but the mother was sensing it wasn’t just as she, you know, had a random call.  She knew something was going on yet she was in, you know, London and the child was in San Francisco, you know. So, this is non-locality of information that seems to be exchanged.  Another study that we did I’ll be very brief about this and a study that  we did

 

Paul

No, take your time and expand I’m for one really intrigued

 

Howard

Ok it was a study looking, we had test subjects that were the monitoring variety of levels all kinds of brainwave measurements as well as heart measurements and they were sitting in front of a computer and the computer been randomly loaded with images and it was like some of the images were intentionally beautiful and some were very horrific. The test subject would be prompted to, they’re sitting infront of a blank screen and they are prompted to press a button there be a delay of six seconds and then a picture will emerge and there will be 10 seconds for the screen it was blank again, the prompt comes up, press the button, they press it, 6 second delay, picture shows up, they analyze all the data and they found that in most cases many to most I put it that way cases the body’s response to the picture was happening six seconds before the picture showed up the body was doing what it would do if the picture was there but it wasn’t there and then they decoded the information.  This is a big study published in the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, they published two parts it’s that complex as they began to analyze that data they found that was happening inside the body is that the heart was the first responder it responded then the brain responded then the two came together at a frequency level and then the picture shows up.  So, heart was first, then brain, then together they merged and then the picture shows up and this was happening over and over again in this experiment, over and over again

 

Paul

For somebody with that rational hat on to be able really digest this, I, I’m coz this is this kind of stuff that really gets me going. I’m just like absolutely dumbfounded by this, I love it!  Could we just really take a step a little bit further back and say, how in, in this rational world can we digest this, an image has not come up for six seconds however the heart can recognize the emotion of that image?

 

Howard

Well in the research summary they made a statement I’ll be paraphrasing Albert’s this was basically around the lines it appears as if you know the heart has the ability to sense things that in a field of information that does go beyond their normal understanding of time and space.  That it is a sensing that we naturally have but that we are not aware of, there’s always there but we have not become aware of it, on other words is part of the new human and though we are beginning to become aware of these things now as part of the evolutionary process, so what if we were wired this way all along and just been cut off from having that sensing but that it can be developed and turned into something very practical and so in the training programs that we do the term we use when we talk about intuition is practical intuition we try to demystify this thing we don’t want intuition just to be seen as only when we come into some tremendous aha we create something or invent something, you know, we don’t want to be seen as just a random event that occurs every now and then in our lives or that it is something mystical we want to be seen as something practical intuition shows up all the time it can be those inner promptings that we all get about you know it’s time to really move on and do a little bit more in this area that area you know maybe I should exercise more maybe I should not be eating submit much of this type of food or it can be the sensitivity that we have when we going into a conversation we know it can be difficult and the timing of that conversation and the words that we choose and how that conversation unfolds and how we flow in that conversation, that’s all intuitive, it’s an intuitive flow that were tagging into their of like you could say this way you could say  it that way but what’s the way in, which is going to be communicated best. Well, that’s not just all thought out logical or literally especially when the conversations in play and it’s moving on those emotions involved  in  all that there’s an intuitive guidance you can have for that. Then it gets even to another level of practicality, I use this example, hiring someone.  In America we can ask personal questions in a job interview, if I’m interviewing someone for a job here at heartmath that cannot ask them, are they married, do they have children, none  of that,  I can’t ask any,  much less do you have any health issues and you  know  I can’t  ask any of those questions.  I can only ask them questions that appear in the resume and I can ask the regular old questions like well tell me about your last job and how did you overcome a challenge, you know, well you’re getting a sense of people getting a sensing of this person but she but you can be looking at resumes and the resumes can be, you know, they have have similar educational backgrounds and job experience backgrounds but yet you’re looking at two or three people who should you hire?  How do you make that choice? Ultimately you probably make it on a feeling that you have, what if that feeling could  be refined so you’re more accurate in this choices, that’s an example of practical intuition taking intuition down and moving  into something that we can use. Now, I know you weren’t freaked by the study, let met ake it one more level for you.

 

Paul

Please

 

Howard

The picture showed up six seconds that the physiology started to change six seconds before the picture shows up right?

 

Paul

Uhuh

 

Howard

Well, one day I was talking to head of research Dr. Roland McCreedie he goes, oh yeah, but that's where the research protocol was set to, six seconds. What if we set it to six-hours, you know what I mean or  6 days, you know what I mean the research protocol was six it didn’t mean it’s only 6 seconds that's what the study was designed around is a six second 

 

Paul

Oh Wow! 

 

Howard

So,yep implications of that go like what we can be really going on here i don't know i can't just dependably say but it's pretty intriguing doesn't it? 

 

Paul

That's incredible and you it seems like you've managed to harness this ancient internal technology that I truly believe has existed for so long and we're just getting to tap back into this ancient technology, that you're finding this practical way of applying it to everyday society and I for one and just saying endless possibilities of seeing a more harmonious world if we can use this technology and this intuition to tap into the practical way of for example hiring people around you that will create a corporate culture and a more harmonious corporate culture 

 

Howard

Yeah, That's right yeah I've been reading a lot of books, not a lot of books some books lately and I'm really a whole lot anymore but bring some really intriguing books that talk about all the new technologies that are developing very, very quickly and the way they're gonna change your lives and it's getting ready to be crazy I mean, one of the books it's called the Inevitable and basically in the first chapter this guy Kevin Kelly, basically says you know where only the beginning of the technology revolution, whatever you think you see now is nothing compared to what's coming and it's coming really, really quickly. Well, I also believe that there's another type of technology developing it's a hard math term into technology.  Technology of intuition so we have an internal technology development going on at the same time so we're going to be perceiving differently thinking differently and we're developing a new awareness all the time now and that's part of what I try to do is just to offer information, I'm not trying to be the big teacher or the big guru or any of that I just wanted to share the information that I have and hopefully touch somebody else's heart, so that they feel it and they feel better about themselves, they feel better about life and they feel hopeful and excited and inspired about the future potentials that we have individually and collectively 

 

Paul

That’s amazing when do you see at heartmath moving in the future and what do you believe the ramifications for:

  1. corporate america
  2. the world as a whole 

 

Howard

Well, I think that the process for now relates to that we’re going through as I mentioned pretty much, you know high-speed evolution maybe even revolution you can call it here now after 25 years, that’s not easy for us either, you know to go through that much change but we're having to make things simpler now, we have to make access to what we do simpler this is sharing world analysis and open source world right now we have to break this down make it simpler easily accessible as a mission earlier in our conversation here in this restaurant in Melbourne

 

Paul

Check that out

 

Howard

That we have to bring things together in a more harmonious way and I think you know what's interesting about her math is that people see us two different windows of view depending upon their interest and so if somebody else will say as a health professional they see us as a organization has tools and techniques for health professionals, if they are a spiritual person they see this is really interesting organization this, this bridging spirituality with science, you know, that they see it through that lens if they’re are business professional and they say the corporate person they see it as are these guys do resilience training and incorporation so that they can, you know create better cultures and greater productivity. So, they’re seeing us through different windows or view. They're walking up to this big house with this guy with all the stuff inside and looking thru your window and that's the window that they see, you know they say the house thru that window and so what I'm saying is there's two, there's so much more going on we've got to let everybody know about what's happening and we got to bring that community together because it's, I have an advantage here because I'm one of the ones that travels and so I can be at different parts of the world and totally amazed, there's all these people that showed up to hear me talk and I mean this other part of the world and they're all been following heartmath and they've all watched my youtube videos and all this other stuff that's been happening and it doesn't matter where I am whether I’m in australia, in china, in switzerland, in london, in kuwait, you know, I see this everywhere I go and I'm like I’m blown away by the numbers of people that knows about heartmath. Now, the question is as we move forward as an organization how do we bring that together and how do we use that collective power better to help create the positive changes in the world we want to see? How do we bring those hearts together in a better way, so that we can all work together and create a new world?  Well, that's creating a lot of business change. So, where we going to be in five years, it could be many different places but we have younger executives here now, we have executives they're highly successful already in their life the that came with huge credentials of success and background that are your age that have been plugged in their executive management team, not just employed, you know, so, we treat them as equals. They have new information, new ways of doing things and new ways of thinking that are beyond me and then I've got, you know, 47 years of doing this kind of work, so I got a certain kind of maturity and wisdom that they don't have. So, we bring those two together and you got something really dynamic. So, the changes thatyou will see hopefully in the coming years not way down the road or more people participating with us in a dialogue, not a broadcast from (inaudible) but a dialogue with them creating a  more coherent organization so to speak that’s global in nature, that's more connected and that we are able to effect positive change and doing it energetically not to judgment, not to railing against systems or any of those types of approaches but how do we bring a more coherent, heart based approach into creating change in a way that can benefit the lives of millions and millions of people and that's what we're doing. 

 

Paul

Oh it's truly an inspiring words and I I can't wait to be in some small way a part of it it's a it's a,  and we’re all alive, every, whether you know it or not, every living

 

Howard

That’s right

 

Paul

Every living being on this earth is going to play a significant part in it 

 

Howard

Yes, right now I'm trying to make that easier now for people to connect, easier for people to get basic heart math training so they can share what we've done here so don't have to be as quick, that's not eliminating any of the other great programs we already have they’re certainly more in-depth and certainly in some ways more academic all those remain the same there will be levels and layers of people can take it and get the training that they want for their needs but I'm trying to get this down to simple where people can access it with someone like you or someone listening to our conversation now can plug in and say, okay now I’ve got it, now I can take some heartmath information with enough understanding of it and enough training and go out in the world and share with somebody else.  Because it's through that sharing that the change is going to  happen, its connection between people that creates a you know,sort of a cascading momentum of adding heart and it will happen between people sharing with one another and we're trying to do some things that facilitate that in a better way. 

 

Paul

Howard I want to thank you so very, very much for being a part of the show. Your words are incredibly inspiring as I said before your knowledge has been incredibly motivating I can't wait to get stuck into a more literature around this topic that I'm sure there's a tremendous amount that I can pick your brain about. Are there any words that you just like to leave the audience with that they can take act on and make movement on today they can make an intimate and meaningful change in their lives? 

 

Howard

Yeah I'll give you one, have compassion for yourself 

 

Paul

Beautiful

 

Howard

Compassion is the most powerful sort of frequency in the love spectrum, compassion is so transformative and so nurturing and so lacking in the world today, so we need more compassion we need more compassionate approaches to all of our interactions that is to start with us and I think as we go through these changing times we're going to feel down on ourselves a lot of times, we're gonna feel like we aren't keeping up we're going to feel like we're not good enough, we're gonna over-focus on the mistakes that we make, we're going to feel like we're not you know we're not getting it, we're not succeeding, you know, we can all have those feelings and I have them too and when you find yourself for this type of feelings turn that same compassion that use often want to give to others into the world turn on yourself.  It's ok, you you're a good person doing the best you can, there are an extraordinary changing time that we all live in, its ok and have that little heart talk talk with yourself and bring that compassion and radiate it to you, give it to yourself because you deserve it and it’s the first, it’s the first and very important step in being a much more dynamic change agent in the world is to be able to step back become more objective and give yourself the gift of your own compassion 

 

Paul

Thank you, thank you so much for your time Howard 

 

Howard

Yeah

 

Paul

Can't wait to get this out to the community 

 

Howard

You know, I’ll be in Australia because super promotions has promote me there and after that I go to Germany and then to Mexico's around at this fall tour. So, I hope people will see me along the way, I look forward to meeting everyone, I mean I communicate a lot of different ways just like right now but one thing that still brings me the most joy as being with people and doing it live and being connected to people with physical level and that's why I still do what I do. I can reach millions of people this way and so why don't I go out on a tour well it’s not just because the money it's really because it's something special that you can't just replace into your, they're live in person and that's a, as much as I appreciate opportunities like, like we're having right now and I sincerely do, the live events are still important for me. 

 

Paul

I couldn't agree more being, being able to exchange energy in the flesh is a pretty important thing. Are there any resources that you'd like to leave us with that the audience can check up on the inter webs? What I like them to do is to go to heartmath.com and I'd like you to go in there and register to receive things like our weekly little short, little newsletter, our daily heart quotes, which are inspirational messages.  So, sign up so you get on our list that's what's most important to me. The reason is a lot to talk about a lot of I could share with all these changes happening right now allowing us giving us the privilege to be in communication with you about that is the best gift you can give back to me because it's gonna be so much interesting and fun things happening that we have to have a way to communicate. So you go to heartmath.com there's some free things very certainly read about a lot of things on the site or heartmath.org as well, which is even more educational because it’s a non-profit. Go to heartmath.com and sign up to receive information from us and that way you'll be in the conversation, you'll, you can get what you want and unsubscribe in, which that you don't want but just,  but get in the conversation, allow us to have the ability to dialogue with you and share this involvement with you because it it's what's most important to me right now is the expansion of all of that and that's the way you can do it so heartmath.com sign up for some stuff

 

Paul

Thank you Howard, thanks again for your time 

 

Howard

My pleasure you take care bye everybody 

 

Paul

See you Howard 

 

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