Musical artist Ben Lee discusses what creativity means to him, the power of essential oils and the importance of death midwifery

Transcription Highlights

 

0:34 – Ben’s Interest on Essential Oils

2:59 – How to Know if You’re Not Overdoing It

7:16 – Essential Oil’s Daily Use

13:14 – Methods to Consume Essential Oils

20:43 – What Evokes a Greater Sense of Purpose for Ben Lee



 

Paul

Welcome back to My Wellness Wishlist again.  Today’s Wellness titbit is surrounding Aroma Therapy and Essential Oils, they’ve been in use for over 5,000 years but what is really interesting is previously there have been reduced to somewhat of esoteric hippie type of practice.  Now, they are really being respected amongst natural medicine communities but also within the western medical community.  There are some medical hospitals now that are using them as part of their regular practice.  Many traditional hospitals like Vanderbilt University Hospital are catching up on the many amazing benefits the essential oils have for being used in anxiety, depression, and also infections and hospitalized patients.  In 2009 a study of pre-operative patients who received aroma therapy with lavender oil were significally less anxious  about their surgery than controls.  Their oils such as sand wood neuroly oil and lavender oil have also been used in traditional medicine to help patients better manage anxiety.  This stuff is real, it’s like studied under very strict medical guidelines but the reality is the benefits of essential oils have existed for the thousands of years that have been in existence. Obviously were governed by what science can prove and this is the paradigm that we live in but I just find that humorous that we need to wait until science can catch up to the benefits of all of these amazing incredible treatments in order to have them accepted in the wider community.  Today on the show I have a very accomplished musical artist and singer Ben Lee who has made his imprint over a couple of decades on Australian music community as well as the world music community.  He lives in L.A. now, he is a very interesting gentleman he has had the privilege of being a death mid wife, which was so damn fascinating to speak about to be there to hold the space for people as their transitioning over to the other side must be an incredibly special and sensitive time in that persons life.  We also delve deeply into his new focus, which is the beauty and power of aromatherapy.  Ben and I breakdown the very many benefits of essential oils and what they have to offer to all of us whether you are sick, ill or well and just want to be weller, yes that’s a word I just made it up but live life with more vitality and greater understanding what you can get out of life.  We also delve into creativity and breakdown what creativity means to him, what it means to me, how he lives life with a certain richness when he looks at it from a creative perspective and that can be from so many different aspects not just playing music or doing art.  We delve into some pretty concepts there, which is totally cool.  I’m going to leave you alone now have a listen to this interview it’s totally cool and yeah let’s speak at the end…  Ben thanks so much for coming on the show did I appreciate it


Ben

Thank you for having me


Paul

Ben I am so intrigued by some of the work you've been doing recently, in particular some of the work that you're doing with essential oils and from what I understand you've had quite an empowered experience with these in the recent past and it had quite a profound impact on yourself and your family. Do you want to take us a little bit through, what experiences you've had with them? 

 

Ben

Well, to give us some context I have been interested for some time in natural health and I studied Daoist Chi Gong for a number of years in New York and learn about Chinese Medicine, Acupuncture and as I've been interested in plants and plant medicine and in natural solutions for sometime, so now essential oils are something are very much underestimated.  I think I was very macho, probably or very, like a typical guy in my response limit, I thought because they smell nice this is sort of something that maybe women just put in their bathtubs.  I just thought they were a light kind of modality and so the awakening for me has been very much about the subtlety and the subtle power of essential oils and you know when you really look at these compounds, I mean they are jam packed with information, genetic information, molecular information and because of like the potency of essential oils like a lot of people don't know they think it's like having a couple of peppermint tea or something where is actually one drop of peppermint oil can be something like 28 cups of peppermint tea so you're talking about working with like an incredibly dynamic aspect of the essence of the plant.  So, for me it's been a, it's just been kind of an awakening of health that's really I think affected the way I looked at supporting myself through allergy season, which was one of my big sort of respiratory health that's been a big part of my our focus on my own journey and then just general energy and vitality like I'm someone who works really hard and love life and I love working on projects and my family and you know and passionate about travel and living. So, maintaining my energy and my immune system in a way that feels full of vitality all of that has been a really big part of just becoming convinced of the potency of working with essential oils.

 

Paul                  

Now, when it comes to health and vitality I’m a big believer in balance.  How do you know that when you're taking this product and it has such a significant potency, how do you know that you're perhaps not overdoing it perhaps?


Ben

Well, I think with anything, you know I'm not a real believer in the idea that there's a one-size-fits-all program for anybody.  I think we all have to really become attuned to listening to our body and in fact, you know it's one of the co-host of a cleanse recently with friends and acupuncturists, and herbalist, and an addiction, and recovery coaching.  It was really about people tale and making a claim for their own goals and their needs and for their own body because you could say to people, Oh we're all cutting out dairy, for some people dairy is not a problem, you know, so you end up wasting a lot of energy.  So, I think it's really about with anything starting very moderately and we always say for using saying oil topically like one drop, use one drop see how your skin response, your body responds and begin to understand, I mean all of these things particularly plants I'm going to get a little bit of esoteric here but these are living thing, you know and you're interacting with the energy and the consciousness of that plant and it's a relationship, you know. I'm a real believer in the interaction with plants, it's not like the interaction with chemicals and things that are just get constructed in a lab that have no growth energy of their own and no consciousness.  The interaction with a planet that anyone knows who tried to grow a fern in their house like it respond to the way you treat it, you know.  So all of these relationships with the oils and the plants they require a type of attention and openness and willingness to actually have a relationship and figure out, what is the right dynamic of that for you.


Paul

Absolutely, secret life of plants I take that you’ve explored that?


Ben

Yeah, I mean, you know the plants, I really look at them, it's so funny because it all sounds very hippie, you know, but we live in laurel canyon, you're surrounded by trees and plants and you know, to me these are all like extensions of our family they’re members of our wider community and it's powerful to recognize them as such.


Paul

Without a doubt and it seems like we all are kind of on the same team living under the one, I often think about it as us hosting a tremendous amount of bacteria within us being their universe.  We are all just kind of active participants under the one, the one human being so to speak. 


Ben

Yeah it's quite extraordinary like when you look at plants how we say with essential oils you might find plant, plants, let’s say like a frankincense that in Africa was present in the middle east and then you'll find a plant like spike nod in the Andes in Peru that does quite similar things but is a different plant and what you'll find is like the beautiful intelligence of the creation of this natural ecosystem that in each country there were plants that served needs and they might have taken a different form, so you'll find multiple oil say that do quite similar things


Paul

That's interesting


Ben

That come from different parts of the world, so it's quite amazing to see talking about balance, how this, the ability of a human being or the animal kingdom to regain its balance by interacting with plants was present in every culture and on every continent


Paul

It’s beautiful, it's really, really nice it’s this ying yang I supposekind of development of growing under the same organism, you know.  I actually just recently had a fellow on the show called Dr. Ian White


Ben

Yeah, I saw him speak recently in Adelaide. 


Paul

Yeah, right, right, yeah

 

Ben

He does the bush remedies right?


Paul

Correct, correct, yeah you should check that show out, it was a wonderful chat.  He's amazing because he deals with diagnosing through numerology which you would have probably heard him speak about as well and then treatment with Australian bush essence, which once again is unique only to Australia that it sounded so wonderful and so powerful, as well. 


Ben

Yeah beautiful


Paul

So, what what do you use in your daily life when it comes to essential oils? 


Ben

So, some of my favorite oils, I love the citruses first thing in the morning and throughout the day like a drop of grapefruit or a drop of lemon in water for detoxing your and for speeding up the metabolism and I'm a dad now so I get a little extra padding up here so it's nice, the same reason people like to eat grapefruit in the morning, speeds up the metabolism, suppresses the appetite a bit, it can be wonderful for just maintaining a healthy weight and just detoxifying as I said.  I use frankincense for everything, that really is the king of oils and it's an amazing oil, if you only have one essential oil in your house that’s a great one to have, it’s amazing for

 

Paul

Tell us about why it’s a versatile one


Ben

Yeah it's one of the oils that is most supportive of cellular health and healthy cellular regeneration, so when you look at how many types of imbalances begin at a cellular level frankincense is one of the great oils to be able to being able to tackle the root cause whether its brain health or you know, all these various adrenal support, these are amazing things to be supported by amazing frankincense


Paul

Adrenaline balance has seem to be something that is taking its almost an epidemic in modern society it's something that is really, really the masses are struggling with on a major level

 

Ben

I also use peppermint, is one of my favorite oils, I use it as like as a cup of coffee throughout the day I'll put like a drop of peppermint in my hand getting fatigued and a deep inhale, back of my neck to cool me down had a neck tension relieves it and it's great for your breath instead of taking, using sugar in mint since I’ll do a drop of peppermint oil on my tongue.  So, that's one that I use multiple times a day and really it's these are some staples but truly it's a, it's also an intuitive relationship where even with our kids like I'll say to my daughter, I say “hey you want to work with any of the oils this morning” and bring out a whole bunch of them and let her decide what she wants to do and obviously monitoring it.  So, she doesn't overdoing it or anything but she might be drawn to a more woody, earthy oil, which can be amazing for grounding and for feeling a little bit like anxious or light headed or not, you know, not fully supported.  So, it's just sort of an ongoing intuitive relationship but one of the things that we always recommend to people who purchase oil is this isn’t about needing to be some kind of an expert who you know it's like a witch doctor and everyone calls, Oh I've got this what oil do I use?  It’s really about empowering people it’s like get an app, get a textbook, get something in your house, so that you can flick it open and figure out how to support your family and you because it's not rocket science it's all out there, all this information, some of the fun of it is really getting empowered ourselves


Paul

I love that philosophy that you're taking on because so many of us so used to outsourcing everything, you know


Ben

And it becomes disempowering


Paul

Completely disempowering it's like, you know, absolutely anything, now that it’s being outsourced at the end of the day, how much power do you have if you are taking no action just delegating essentially


Ben

Yeah, exactly, so, that's a big part of our mission


Paul

Did you go through a long process of sorting these oils and finding where they lie, what was, where in the world you actually thought the oil from?


Ben

We work with doTERRA, which is a company based in salt lake city and they really have established themselves as the company who creates the gold standard of oils around the world.  They're one of the big innovations that they made as a essential oils manufacturer, producer is that they wanted oil source from where they were naturally occurring or in their natural habitat and then using traditional farming methods and also tying into supporting families and generations of families to get back to natural finding habits without, you know obviously like pesticides and chemicals.  So, they're tested multiple times throughout the process and they've really and one of the things that's interesting about essential oils is it's basically an unregulated market.  So, you can really say anything on a bottle and we don't, know you know we really know when you say organic it actually doesn't mean anything because you don't have to get any kind of stamp or certficiation of organic.  So, so what was kind of genius about the way doTERRA do that was they said we actually want to hold ourselves accountable, so that we can bring a new standard so they created something called the certified pure therapeutic grade and it's a standardized third-party testing process


Paul

Wonderful


Ben

And it that way even things like I'll show, hang on let me grab  a bottle, like they've created a new app where you can punch in the lot number on the bottom of one of their bottles



Paul

So, those of you who are listening to this Ben’s showing a bottle


Ben

Oh, sorry I’m holding the bottle.  There’s a little lot number at the bottom, you know and they, you could get a printout of the molecular analysis of that particular batch of oils.  So, it's really about kind of holding it up to a scientific level of scrutiny, that's not just like “hey it smells nice let's get into our home”, again if you’re using it with the kids and you’re using it internally and all the things you really want to know you're dealing with the purest quality possible


Paul

I suppose so, it’s complete transparency and empowering people to have that kind of information, I love it.  What kind of method are you using to actually consume these oils? 


Ben

There’s actually three types of ways people use essential oils, people use them aromatically, which is smelling them or putting them in a diffuser, which is like when you were growing up a lot of people burnt oils they had little oil burners, you know, but we now know that, probably they knew the stem but didn't put it together that heating an oil changes the molecular structure of it.  So, to maintain the integrity of the compounds of cool mist diffuser is the best way to use it or just smelling them like I set up our hands, the other thing is or from the bottle, the other thing is topically, which is may be using it on a specific part and it’s a  treat and acute tissue that you want to do deal with like if you needed a muscle support and you use the wintergreen or something like that or the other thing is diluting it in fractionated coconut oil as a carrier oil and you could massage it all over the body, under the feet is very popular because they're very absorbent and then like you said, internally is the last way and you would either do that like one drop in a glass of water or you could put them inside a little empty gelatin or veggie capsule anddepending on, if you're going to use the oil internally in water most of it's going to get absorbed around the throat.  So, you're using it to support that upper part of the body that's a great way to do it but if you want to get it into the digestive tract, if you needed to do some kind of more internal cleansing and detoxifying you'd want to take it in a capsule so that doesn't get absorbed until it's down in the digestive tract. 


Paul

I see. I'm interested to know why you have chosen to go down the part of diluting it in fractionated coconut oil.  Is that medium changed triglycerides within in that?


Ben

So, the gist of it you could really use any carrier oil if ever some people have something different favorite they like almond oil and it’s like fraction of the coconut oil has no odor to it.


Paul

Yes


Ben

Which is one thing also I don't understand exactly what the processes of the fractionated process but I know that when you buy coconut oil from  the supermarket when it gets cold it becomes (inaudible) but the fractionated process keeps it as a liquid, so you can always use in winter and then well, so when I first started using essential oils topically I thought the only reason to dilute them was because we were cheap, I wanted to use less but I actually found out that the carrier oil actually carries it into the body more effectively.  So, by using a carrier oil you actually help the body absorb it, so that’s the, that's the process. 


Paul

I'm just trying to draw a delineation could also be this is the fats involved in that carrier oil do help.  I know if you're having a saturated fat with a, say a protein that's going to help you absorb the protein so could be a very similar situation with the nutrient and therapeutic value of the oil.


Ben

And certainly with kids and anyone with skin sensitivity, it also just stops irritating the skin so it's quite interesting because sometimes people using peppermint oil then they would be on their fingers and they touch their eye and their first instinct is “oh let me wash my eye out with water” well we know oil and water don't mix, right?  We had that campaign growing up in Australia, so that actually makes the problem worse, well as if you flush the eye with oil with  a carrier oil like coconut it actually dilutes it, helps get out of the eye. 



Paul

Cool


Ben

So it’s quite interesting


Paul

Very, very interesting, Ilove the fact that you’ve found the value in these oils that affected you personally, affected your family personally and you said let's make a goal of this let’s actually


Ben

Well, yeah that’s right and one of the interesting things for me has been that the empowerment with our health goes hand-in-hand with the financial empowerment of doing business ethically because really I've always liked business and I've always thought that a healthy business we are truly providing service and being compensated for hard work and good value that's fair I like it, you know I'm not one of those people that think like, ah I wish there was no business, I wish everything was free. I think there's a wonderful incentive in working hard and putting in effort and having good values, you know but I do think business when its ethical and where there's a philanthropic component and where, you know the one of the things I like about this is we're not selling big-ticket items.  So, like we're not selling a two-thousand-dollar thing and getting a commission on it, where you only have to sell it once and then you never have to see the person again.  We're selling things in 20, 30, hundred dollar increment where the only way to build a businesses is people actually experiencing change in their lives using value so our motivation and becomes real customer care.  And so what we do is like anyone who purchases oil throughout, we add them to our private facebook page and we always like sharing articles and answering questions and the goals really to build community and help people feel that, you know this actual value in this and their lives are really being affected to the positive. 


Paul

I love it look I myself have been a student of business for a very long time in fact I studied at University I became a little bit desponded with the big wide corporate world when I entered that initially and I actually retreated from it for a number of different reasons perhaps it's the mis-application of capitalism that a lot of people do have in their minds but you're absolutely right that the whole paradigm and the whole process of selling something does not need to be a conscious effort when you truly believe in a product and you are hold it close to your heart and it's something that really adds you're likely not selling anything it’s just essentially telling people about how beautiful is it, let’s say it's foot sits on its head, completely.  


Ben

Well, for me that never seems complicated because as a musician my job is to stand on stage and sell the song, you know I'm literally like hey guys let me try and convince you of this because I believe in it because I like the song whereas I do need a lot of people that come into our businesses, our teams are growing in different countries and they have this block around selling. I don't want to be too salesy, I don't want to be and it's like don't think about sales, think about serving. 


Paul

Yeah right


Ben

If you can serve someone and actually fulfill a need and support them the sales gonna come naturally.


Paul

Absolutely they want to pay you more


Ben

Yeah, yeah so we just say don't sell, serve and the mere the business takes care of yourself


Paul

Love it, yeah it's fantastic and you mentioned playing and singing and being able to provide, you've been in a fortunate position where you have served a wider community when it comes to creative endeavours and you know I remember you being a large part of my kind of twenties and teens listening to your creative expression and really hit a note with me, part of the part but I want to talk about what creativity in any, in any realm not just music but what creativity does for you personally and how it kind of evokes I guess a greater sense of purpose for you? 


Ben

Ok, so, firstly


Paul

I’m assuming that it does firstly


Ben

Yeah, the question contains an assumption, which is the creativity of something that exists outside of regular life whereas I'm a firm believer that at each moment we are being creative.  I mean this is an innately creative experience we are speaking, this isn't scripted.  Now, we are making this up as we go, we are being creative


Paul

Absolutely


Ben

Right here


Paul

Absolutely

 

Ben

When we cook dinner we're being creative, when we're driving we decide which way to go, how fast to go, these are all creative decisions so it’s sometimes people unless they're doing something like making music or painting they think they're not artistic or they're not creative and I disagree with that.  So, I suppose the question becomes not has been creative at your life but how do you actually step presence to the idea that you are a creator that's the question for each of us and musicians can just as easily fall into the wrath of not remembering that they’re a creator as can someone to work for a bank just as someone standing there with a guitar doesn't mean they're remembering what they really are, you know.  So, for me how do I remember that I am a creator?  Well, sometimes they do, sometimes I don't but I know that when I do I'm connected to the truth.  I know that when I'm in a victim mentality and I see myself being flopped around by the universe at the mercy of the weather and if my mindset on my words, my thoughts, my actions don't have any impact on the universe around me.  I'm living in a fantasy, I'm living in a fantasy of disempowerment, as we were talking about before, so it's really about a fundamental connection we have to the possibility of what it means to be a human being. 


Paul

I 100% agree I suppose the example that you use, one person can be behind a bank, being a bank teller and they can have a uniquely created experience but at the same time somebody could be at one stage playing to thousands of people and having a drab colorless experience. 


Ben

Yes, well tell you exactly I actually went to the bank today because I have to deposit all my merch money from the Australian tour that means like twenty and ten dollar notes and I had an interesting exchange for the woman who worked there.  She saw the money, she said “Oh Australia, I’d love to go to Australia” and we had a conversation and then I can't remember how I had a, I think I had my bag with the oils or something when I was reaching getting my check book and she said “oh essential oils” and she wanted to chat about this is the woman who works at the bank.  Now, so we had a conversation about oils.  This is a woman who was not going through the day as a routine, she was actually open to human interaction and to connection information and as a result unexplained things occurred, you know we moved into new territories we were like dancing, this is what happens when people actually connect so I actually felt internally very grateful to her for that teaching and for this moment as we're using the bank as a metaphor for routine, which it need to be.   I experienced someone today who was open to what was happening in her life and so yeah it’s very much depending on our attitude rather than the situation we're in.


Paul

Absolutely, I recently have in the last year or so  taken out, I used to be a musician in fact you may not know but I think I played on the same record as you many, many years ago.  You may have done a cameo appearance for a band “You'd Call” back in the


Ben

Ah yeah man


Paul

Back in the days


Ben

With bram


Paul

So I played bass for 2-3 years


Ben

Alright man, cool


Paul

Yeah but I have recently been finding creative expression in ceramics and I actually use my intuition, I had a dream one night and I woke up the next morning and for some reason I had this just this need to get on a wheel.  I didn't even know what a pottery wheel was but I got on it and it's just been the most magical experience to follow that creative intuition and then follow it up and then continue to follow up. It adds, it added so much to my life like so much


Ben

That’s cool


Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah


Ben

Excellent congratulations on your new journey


Paul

Thank you, thank you

 

Ben

And again there's another aspect without going to deeply into it, dreams are the most creative thing that we could ever do and we all do it every night like literally we each have an experience that we could never have predicted each night and how do we interact with that?  It’s interesting to look at, do we remember them? Do we take them seriously? Do we write them off?  Do we act on some of the punches that are within them.  I'm not someone who firmly believe you can interpret dreams like this means that, that means that but I think as a landscape as a lens we can see how do we interact with our creativity by the way that we interact with our dreams.


Paul

Well, it’s subconscious really, getting having the conch and allowing out analytical mind to kind of step away for a moment and if you can, if you can recall your dreams there’s some power in them.  I mean there's a lot more purpose placed in analyzing dreams in the past in history and I think there are people I actually had someone on the show some time ago “Ilana Laps” and she is a dream analysis and she was wonderful, she talked about what certain semiology means in certain dreams and it's, it can be quite an empowering process to go through that, it’s very cool


Ben

Absolutely


Paul

I want to talk to you about another passion of yours and I think this is such an incredibly special place to be in somebody's life and that's at the end of their life, talking about death midwifery that you have studied in the past and you assist people in crossing over on a emotional and spiritual plane and I'd love to kind of talk to you about how you got into it and also what kind of meaning you get out of it? 


Ben

Yeah, well this to me truly is like a passion or a hobby more than a profession, it's something I wanted to learn because in my own studies of spirituality and what is the cycle, the path of psychological transformation it became very apparent to me that there is no way to change without dying.  The person I am today has to die so that someone new can be born tomorrow and I realized that there were fears of my own about death that had to be confronted and passed through and there were processes to do with assisting other people, assisting them in, firstly in myself learning how to move my consciousness from one state to another, transforming and then being able to assist others in doing that would positively impact everything I did.  I had a very clear understanding of that, that right now we are 2 dying people talking to each other and this conversation will be enhanced if we’re both aware about our mortality and in a sense the degree of spontaneity or the degree of the ability to be present in a moment like an interaction at the bank is completely connected to how ok we are with the fact that we're going to die and what that means to us.  So, it's something I was interested in almost from the symbolic place and it did take me into hospice volunteering and interesting things playing music during a vigil while the body laid there and families came in and said their goodbyes and all many different scenarios but ultimately I think that without learning without considering what it means to die and maybe like the Tibetan Buddhist learning how to die, practicing dying, how can we make the most out of this life. 


Paul

And you know, when people hear that he Tibetan Buddhist, you know, meditate on death or often on a daily basis they find initially that to be quite a morbid concept but it's such a beautiful empoweringat least from my experience when I've meditated on death.  It can be really powerful appreciation for life and death just being a part that. 


Ben

Yeah I don't think anyone who's spent any time with tibetan buddhist monks thinks they're morbid, they're very cheery bunch actually.  The most morbid people, think about the teenagers who paint the black makeup and tombstone, heavy metal things and all that and it’s almost there that morbid fascination with death masks a terror of death and the hatred of death in the same way that an obsession with pornography masks the hatred of sex and a fear of sex, you know.  So, actually to relax and to be healthy and happy and be dying is the goal. 


Paul

Very cool and you know I'm not going to pretend to know towards the end of my life of course my life could end tomorrow but to be faced in a room with somebody who has that immediate future upon them, there must be some pretty special moment for them personally and for you to be there to hold the space for them. 


Ben

Well, I think most people have had the experience as by the time they get to as adults of like grandparents or you know, someone a dying and for me what I've realized about, take the death piece out of it but supporting people going through a deep process, right?  Is that they're being guided internally in a very intimate process in which the conversation is between them and their own higher intelligence where they're reflecting on their choices and they're feeling some regrets and they're feeling happy about something, that they feel longings and make your fears but it’s very very personal and very amplified it gets very strong for them too I think, you know.  So, in those moments, you know, what can you do?  You can't do much for people but you can let them know it's safe for them to have a process, you can honor that they are having a process, you don't pretend to have any answers about it but truly the sacredness of life like if you look at the rites of passage that used to happen in shamanic cultures and so many ancient cultures it was just the honoring that we were in processes and for me that it is whole death mid refry piece is really just about honoring the process of dying.  We don't have to know a whole lot, we have to kind of get out of the way and just love people as they're doing what they need to do. 


Paul

It’s interesting they say honoring other in the process because there's so many, you know, the cultures, the vast amount of cultures that exist that have a different take on not just death, that on the aging process as well, you know.  There are so many different cultures that celebrate for example, I do forget the direct translation but I know that, you know, metaphors for example isin many Western cultures looked down upon  and there's a direct translation I believe in Japanese and they call it the second spring


Ben

Wow, beautiful


Paul

And it's a an honoring of a different age in other tribes there's, you know, who need to be a certain age in order to maintain a certain level of respect, you know.  


Ben

It's very funny and in music it's like this too, you know, some, someone I saw some  tweet or something that said the thought was to find some humor in John Butler and myself giving flume the best new artist award because me and Jubella now are we relevant as I was like we’re relevant for people in their mid thirties and on, we’re going through the same things we are, you know what I mean like people our age want to hear songs about what it's like to be our age


Paul

Yes spot on


Ben

They don't want hear songs what it was like to be 16.  Now, 16 year olds can't envision anything beyond their own experience.  So, they buffer themselves from that terror their own terror of mortality by having a condescending tone about anyone who's an adult is not courting the market of children for entertainment, you know but it's interesting.  I say this not for sympathy or something.  It's interesting how even the expression of adults concern let alone end-of-life concerns is just wildly unfashionable booty on that whole paradigm


Paul

Absolutely, yeah, you’re absolutely spot-on.  Ben this has been such an incredible chat, I loved it so much.  I don't want to take up too much of your time, I wouldn't just leaving you with a couple of questions if you don't mind and it's something I asked most of my guests and kind of the first thing that comes to your mind if there is anything that comes to your mind that you would impart any advice on to the listeners as to what they can kind of do today to add some kind of balance or well-being to their life, the first thing that kinda comes to your mind.  


Ben

I mean finally the first thing that comes to mind is something to avoid


Paul

Cool


Ben

And that is avoid externalizing a projection of someone else as having the answers because it happens so often whether it’s teachers and gurus and priests and  rabbis and you know and then you get into health gurus and this person write this book about how you have to eat, you know and all of these choices disempower us to getting in touch with our own intelligence.  So, it’s ok to read these things and read a book by this guy and listen to that but ultimately you have to be placing your own internal guidance as number one, that's really your guide. 


Paul

Love it and it's… and I guess that's just really creating a growing awareness within because so many people do just place that to the side as opposed to looking within and actually facing your shadow sometimes, which can be a little bit of a daunting experience


Ben

Yeah


Paul

That’s awesome, awesome, awesome thank you so much Ben I appreciate your time


Ben

And then I'd love, I'd like just to tell people that they can, you know, reach out to me on social media, if they’re on Ben Lee music on twitter, facebook, instagram and if people interested in the oils whether that's learning about essential oils or about possibly in the business side and collaborating with us if they like our ethics and the way we talk about these things, they can find us on facebook at Skyelee Oils which is S, K, Y, E, L, E, E oils O, I, L, S so facebook.com/skyelee oils and it's very, it's good for us to connect if we have like minds


Paul

I love it and is this a worldwide process this


Ben

Yeah, worldwide, worldwide


Paul

Amazing


Ben

We have a team in Hong Kong, two teams in Australia, a team in the US and we're always looking for new collaborations with like I said people who entrepreneurial but are motivated from a a good sense of internal integrity and interested in health and wellness, interested in philanthropy and want to, you know our ambitions for the right reasons


Paul

Love it, social capitalism to a certain degree


Ben

There you go


Paul

Thank You Ben


Ben

Awesome mate, thank you so much.


Paul

Thank you Ben once again for an amazing interview and I shall leave all your details in the show notes for people to contact you and your wife.  Thank you once again and I shall see you guys in the next week.  




 

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