Tapping into the Power of Astrology and Tarot with Natta Jain

Podcast Highlights

 

5:49 - Tarot and Astrology link

12:22 - Historical Aspects of Astrology

23:28 – Paul’s Reading of his Astrological Chart

1:07:14 - North Node

1:16:01 - Gemini


 

Paul

Alright guys 2017 coming at cha… I finished over the summer break and I believe that I owe you all an explanation.  2016 was an amazing year for me so much has been happening My Wellness Wishlist has been full throttle.  I had met the most incredible and amazing people through guests and fans alike and my personal life has been just thriving.  I am recording this right now towards the end of January.  I'm about to get married this will be the very last episode I actually post before I do get married and I just want to share a little bit of appreciation to you guys for keeping this content going and keeping me motivated to present it.  So, thank you kind from the bottom of my heart.  I'd also like to extend appreciation to my adorable stunning fiancé who in six days is going to become my wife, Natalie you know you are.  We're actually spending a week apart at this very moment its day 2 of seven days and next time I see her will be in the wedding ceremony.   So, I suppose this is my way of speaking to young Nathalie even though she is not in the room next to me and will not be in my presence for the next few days, I love you very much and I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you.  Now, onto the show, today's wellness tidbit is surrounding astrology.  Astrology is the study of the effect of planetary movement on human character and political on natural events that can be traced back at least two and a half thousand years BC to the Sumerians the Babylonians throughout many other civilizations.  Astrology has played a big part in predictions in the future human behavior and also marrying it with mathematics and science.  There's a lot to be said for astrology and the impact it made on human civilization in the past.  My guest on the show today is Natta Jane she has an abundance of knowledge when it comes to this stuff and I was lucky enough to actually have her read my birth chart as well as my various different signs.  Tuck in to this interview it's so cool it’s a big chunk of it that is really just her reading my chart.  I hope you get something out of it, I certainly did.  It's amazing how complex and diverse reading somebody's birth chart can be.  Alright guys for the first interview of 2017 please welcome Natta Jane.  Hey Natta how are you?

 

Natta

I'm good, thank you. How are you?

 

Paul

I'm really, really well thank you for joining me on this beautiful Sunday afternoon. 

 

Natta

My pleasure I'm excited

 

Paul

It's super exciting I must say.  So, Natta we’ve had a a couple of weeks to get to know each other over the phone.  We've had a couple of really nice conversations about what it is you do and how you offer so much clarity to people around you, which I am abundantly fascinated by.  Now, your two main focus, focuses is Astrology and Tarot Reading is that correct?  

 

Natta

That's right yes. Astrology Tarrot Reading and I also was a few other things I do as well so I do Astrology and Tarot putting my main ones and then I was also do a lot of herbalism

 

Paul

Oh great!

 

Natta

So, I do that in relation to the astrology.  So, basically when I haven't somebody's astrology chart it's a bit like a recipe guide for me.  So, I make up herbal tea in relation to whatever is going on for them, so I tailor them to their charts and I would work a lot with crystals and color therapy and stuff like this

 

Paul

Wow! I’d love to delve into that as well it sounds like we've got a number of interviews in us but I must say that the… every time I’ve had crystal therapy it’s been a very powerful profound experience for myself.  So, I would love to delve into that as well.  So, have you heard of a fellow by the name of Ian White? O

 

Natta

No I'm not familiar by the name Ian White

 

Paul

Australian bush flower essence, I had him on the show a few weeks ago and he used numerology and bush flower essence to treat his patients which is really cool as well. 

 

Natta

Oh, that's so strong, that's very strong together particularly with the flowers because they all have different astrological sequences

 

Paul

Right

 

Natta

Much like the crystal who have different astrological sequences as well, so it’s, when you're interlinking them together they worked like a matrix if you like so it’s quite strong and powerful


Paul

That’s amazing.  Let's start with tarot okay, I know you're going to be moving to astrology and it's going to get a very practical application so for you listeners out there we're going to be doing is Natta is going to be kind enough and generous enough to use our time together to read my astrological chart, which is going to be super cool for myself and for you guys I hope but in terms of tarot you have told me that tarot in astrology are quite intrinsically linked.  What's the reason for that?

 

Natta

Well all of the basic commentaries tarot’s been around for exceptionally long time it’s still very debatable the actual origins of tarot but the first tarot card dates back to like 1300’s that we can find and taro… so the taro deck is 78 cards in it and all of those cards are linked with different astrological planets and different astrological signs and also combinations of them so whether astrological wheel has 360 degrees for its split up into little small sections that we call deacons and for each of these deacons an astrological card symbolizes it.  So, it is all very heavily until like, so when you're doing a tarot reading a lot of the time you will be obviously looking at the symbolism and feeling your intuition of what's going on but there's a whole framework that’s used with taro and and astrology is very big basis of it.  The astrology was very heavily linked in with Kabala and the tree of life, which is also linked into tarot as well.  So, it's too heavily connected. 

 

Paul

Fantastic look I've also always wanted to know about when a tarot card comes up.  What's the explanation for you having a tarot reading and you know, you split a deck of cards and all sudden this cards, cards comes up what’s that, how does that in everyday explanation.  How does that come up for me as opposed to the cards before it or the card after it?

 

Natta

Ok and so tarot has been used in very different ways I mean ultimately if you're reading tarot, reading tarot is probably own like if we're talking about readings that people are more familiar with when I go see a tarot reader for example and tarot reading is probably only actually about 5% of what tarot is actually about.  The more you delve into tarot the deeper level it's more about meditation and it's more about a framework of self-development.  So, the more you get into tarot, tarot reading actually becomes not something that you really do that much it's used more so as a tool to help other people along their part and who are not familiar with tarot themselves but when you yourself reads tarot most people normally don't read tarot like that, they will look at the cards and they will use it as what we call path working and so they would  necessarily arrange the card into different mandalas and different patterns and meditate on them or they might pull cards down randomly meditate on the meaning of those cards but so it’s used quite differently when you’re actually a practitioner yourself


Paul

Fantastic, sorry, go ahead, go ahead

 

Natta

As I was saying in relation to people pulling cards it’s you know, everybody, card’s those tarot cards are very much based on symbolism and so the symbolism and the mythology and the folklore that weaves all through those cards it's something that we can all identify with and it's something that we can all tap into because on a subconscious level we very much identify with symbols, so when we pull up a card it's easy for somebody to particularly faithful so they've been going through that in their lives is quite easy for them to engage in that card and essentially tarot cards aren't really read by themselves as individual entities they’re read together in a sequence there are many, many, many different layers to the cards depending on what the sequence they are, depending on what different astrological associations there depending on what different elements because all of the cards also have different elemental signs to them being fire, earth, air and water and so depending on, you know, what is on sort of what is on the left, what is on the right, its depending on how the story unfolds. 

 

Paul

Ok, ok, what look, let’s shift gears now unto to astrology because it seems like as you’ve said before the card reading can be quite link towards astrology we've had a good chat about my birth times and my birth date and we're trying to find actually just before we press record here.  We were trying to find the exact time of my birth given the most parents don’t actually know it.  You had scenarios like this before in the past, I can imagine.

 

Natta

Yeah, before it happens quite a lot and I mean you know a lot of people do know their time but obviously some people don’t, what I normally suggest is that somebody doesn't know their time then they can normally check with you know obviously their parents they can check with a potentially sometimes you can check with the hospital with a bit and the best registry but it does happen if we don't know their timing, so what happens in that cases we do it with chart rectification where the astrologer will pull up your chart and have a look at the entire time span of that period whether it is one hour difference or whether it's like 12 hours difference or you know even a  day, a whole day 24 hours and we'll go through that time systematically with the client asking them questions trying to highlight what sort of particular and what particular incidences have occurred in their life, also what particular personality traits are there, which will correlate with where the actual planet so we go through will fit through that chart until we can get it as close as possible. 

 

Paul

Brilliant!  So, the way would actually worked my particular chart out is by reverse engineering like you said before questions, personality, traits and we’ve come to my time of birth which is 5:40 am, september 11th 1981.  So, that's me and you think you've been very generous enough to spend a little bit of time working at my chart before we actually delve into the rating, do you want to talk a little bit about the historical aspects of astrology and how it kind of evolved over the years?

 

Natta

Ok (inaudible) astrology has been around and exceptionally long time out of what we would call the esoteric arts, astrology is the oldest and so I mean, I guess we could talk about it in the sense that, you know if we take it way, way back to the day, back in the day, the initial idea of astrology initially came from if we take it all the way back to the neanderthal man when they started communication it was their communication that was their strongest element within themselves that have kept them ahead of every , you know who the other creatures and this communication led to a certain level of higher consciousness and understanding and they started to understand, look at the sign and understand the time from seasons in relation to their hunting and started drawing pictures in relation to their hunting and the seasons and then they started to notice the moon and so it started really from this sort of very grassroots level of trying to be a Neanderthal man and trying to understand the concepts of the universe and how to hunt.  Moving forward in time the Egyptians and their champion astrologers are actually all around the middle eastern regions.  Astrology really picked up and it becomes very important, the moon was really always seems most important thing and has always been seen as the most important thing up until the discovery, well up until the discovery of the outer planets being Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and also the moon was seen as the most important as well up until about 1930’s

 

Paul

What was the reason for that reason? 

 

Natta

The reason for that I was actually going to say that was the end.  The reason with that is because in the 1930’s, basically what happens is when we talk about the idea of birth charts will and stuff like that, prior to prior to the sort of the last century if somebody had a birth chart done unless they were a king or queen or royal family nobody have birth charts done at the time of their birth because nobody know the time they were born, most people sometimes didn't even know what day they were born.  So, having a birthday chart done actually at your birthday is actually sort of also a recent phenomenon prior to that what would happen is people would have their birth charts done or not birth charts they will have their astrology done when they would go and ask the astrologer a question, when they go and ask about a particular thing on their life and one point only very rich people can astrology done anyway so most people wouldn’t have it done.  What happened in the 1930’s changed the phase of astrology how we see it today because English newspaper called daily express in England, they had a gardener who was a columnist, he’s writing gardening column every week and he will just write different all sorts of things about all sorts of flowers and stuff, in one week he was a bit short on what to write so he decided to write about a moon planting, which is still very popular even today, you know a lot of people put on by the moon and to take sides wrap about moon planting and the readership went crazy they loved this particular article and so the editor of the newspaper got a lot of messages from people asking for more astrology and so he asks this gardening chap if he could write some something more regular that will be pertinent to each, you know to the actual readership something about personal and he said no, not really because it’s the most important sign is the moon and it will be very challenging to do that and it’s not really how astrology works because also even though the moon is important, you know, it’s be like cutting up a massive pie and only suggesting there was only one piece

 

Paul

Got you

 

Natta

So, that’s not really how it works, anyway so he said no initially but then the editor brawl beated him and so he came up with the idea of sun sign astrology, which is what everybody calls their star sign today.

 

Paul

Got You

 

Natta

They started writing this sun sign column in the 1930’s and so that hugely changed the phase of astrology it made it in something that it is not but most people who read their magazines, read about their sun sign, you know, that’s not how astrology works.  Your sun sign is more about it’s not so much about your personality or who you are it’s more about what you’re trying to become, it’s more about the direction in which you’re headed, your moon sign is more about who you are.  So, we could say the sun sign is a little bit like this carrot that we’re constantly striving for but what happens is that, because people have been told and you know, if you ask anybody even if they think astrology is absolutely rubbish, if you ask anybody pretty much what their astrology sign is they’ll still know because that’s the massive effect that, that sun sign astrology is had is it’s brought in to the consciousness very, very clearly and so that’s the only, that’s really the only beneficial thing that its done these days is kept astrology alive but it has given people an incredibly erroneous idea about what astrology is the point where even people who do believe in astrology when they’re reading their sun sign columns they will very much identify say for example I know you're a virgo, we would, you know your sun sign we will call it in astrology we don't even use the term star sign really and so your sun sign is virgo and so it's very easy for people, you know, yourself, myself, I know I did this when I was a child was a Sagittaria I am a Sagittarius sun sign and I know even myself as a child I would, you know sort of very much identify with that Sagittarius occupy of being you know, loving travel and being very outgoing and loving teaching and doing all this sort of stuff and  what happens is people are they key into this because they're told that their personalities so much like that they actually start to adopt the trades when in actual fact their personality is their moon sign and it’s the sun that their moving towards

 

Paul

Now, you said that their personality is their moon sign, is this something that does evolve according to times in people's lives as well so for example that you may exhibit certain traits during your adolescence and then it may evolve to what you’re late twenties and your thirties during your set and return or whatever it may be

 

Natta

That’s right yeah constantly because so we have a natal chart but we also have many other different charts as well.  So a natal chart is static so that’s your birth chart, static it doesn't change.   The thing is obviously we all have freewill so I kind of always say to my clients coming to see me or any person who does what I do is, is it little bit like saying hi I've got this, I've got this recipe book and it's in a foreign language please tell me how to make chocolate cake and I’ll be like okay this is how you make a chocolate cake, you know this is how the universe is saying it is a good way for you to make the chocolate cake, you know but if you choose to make chocolate cake anyway how you want to eat with whatever ingredients I can’t,  I can't help you with that, you know, that’s your choice this is the beauty of free will and you might cite that you actually end up going to a supermarket buying apples for your chocolate cake but you know as a matter of fact you find out that it was an apple cake that you want to do all along eventually.  So, you know it’s very much about freewill but the thing with astrology is there are many different things happening at ones so you have your birth chart with your natal chart, which is what most people are familiar with and yes that can change but it shows the static blueprints what we also look at astrology as we look at other charts for example your secondary progression, which were going to talk about today which is where we take your native planet and we move them forward ahead in time to where you are today.  So, it shows us some indication of what's going on in your life in the moment and what you should be looking towards in that chart your moon is the most important thing.   We’ll also have a look and that constantly moving

 

Paul

Yes

 

Natta

We'll also have a look at your solar return chart, which happens every birthday and again that static and that's solar return gives us more so rather than rather than the universe coming in to help you out with stuff your solar return chart is more about, is very self-directed.  So, it's what your personal goals should be out of the next year, so it’s good thing to look at from the birthday to birthday and also there’s a thing called planetary umbrellas and so every, this goes in a 22-year cycle and so every single year for my birthday until our next birthday we have a different astrological flavour if you like and that heavily dictates everything else on top of that we have transits so the planet where they are real time and they're constantly a movement and they are activating not just our native chart but they're activating our solar return, they're activating our solar return that activating our secondary progression so this constantly things everything is in movement there are constantly things that are being activated, we go through you mentioned the Saturn return and the Saturn return is a very big one that happens every approximately about twenty nine and a half years and but in actual fact apart from your sun and your moon you have all sorts of other returns.  So, you know, for example you'll have a Jupiter return, you'll have a, you know, y'all have a nodal return which is your north node.  So, other things also return as well, which people are normally familiar with and when we have this big returns in life, which happen at all different ages these are also gateways if you like for change and their gateways as a very dynamic energy that comes into our life that activates movement.

 

Paul

It seems like a vastly complex and intricate almost mathematical system that occurs here.  I think it would be really, really worth while using myself as a context so people can really kind of have, you know, kind of sync their teeth into somebody's unique, I guess experience.  So, why don't we jump into it?

 

Natta

Yeah, cool, ok. So, first of all let's just talk…. I want to talk to you about first which is what I normally sometimes, I’ll just do this the way I would normally do with my former class.  So, first of all what we’re going to talk about is these astrological umbrellas, so as they were saying they go from… these are 22-year cycle and so in astrology even a two-and-a-half-year cycle is quite large.  So, as you can see a 22-year cycle it's pretty epic, obviously you know 22 years is a big chunk of our lives, so for each year, when I talk about a year, unless I mention otherwise, I mean from your birthday, which is in September until the next birthday because in astrology we don't really work on calendar years

 

Paul

Okay

 

Natta

So from September this year up until next September you are in the second to last year of that 22-year cycle.  Now, yeah and that's ruled by Pluto, which we’ll talk about in a moment.  So, now, the last two years of that 22-year cycle have a very different flavour from the rest of the other 20 years.  So, the last two 20, the last two years of that 22-year cycle are very much about wrapping things up they're what we will call like a detox cycle.  So, it’s a lot of purging that goes on, so even though they're both similar in that context they still do both have a different flavour within themselves, so you'll find over the next couple of years that there's a lot of things that are naturally coming to an end it's important not to really sort of hold onto things unnecessarily, you know, things naturally tends to dissolve within that timeframe there’s a lot of change.  Within this year though it’s ruled by Pluto and so this goes up until next birthday.  Now, I should say that normally what happens even when we go to a year it takes about a month or so to really fully get into that energy, there's a bit of crossoverperiod and then it takes about a month change over at the end as well.  So, the Pluto cycle that you're in at the moment is very much:

 

  1. About facing with the great unknown, facing our fears if we like it’s about regeneration and it's also about finding our higher calling in life.  So, it’s a year where we're very much should be focused on our greater purpose, what we're doing.  So, there's no man here where your Pluto is related to what we will call your north node in astrology and your north node, which was later anyway is again about your purpose of why you're being here, the great direction in life.  So there’s a strong connection between those two, so, but your Pluto here is talking about this year is focused on the good things it’s focused on that element of great transformation in your life that you decide to take a change, you cross in line and it's the point of dedicating ourselves to that higher cause this year on a deeper spiritual level, yeah.  Also the other thing is, it's, you know, it's quite, it’s what we called the passive energy and there's an element of slowness to it so it takes time it’s not something that we want to rush but again it's about regeneration.  Normally what happens in the Pluto year is that we also, we will call it in some ways the dark night of the soul, so there's an element of Pluto year where we need to face some things that we make white have been putting off for a while

 

Paul

Okay

 

Natta

When you’re going to next year, so next year again is still detox as I was saying to you, so as the 2 years.  So against it’s still the detox but next year is rule by Saturn and so Saturn, Saturn has got itself quite a bad name but Saturn can actually be very positive.  A lot of people think about Saturn when they had Saturn return and see how it can be really challenging but Saturn if we didn't have Saturn we wouldn't have any structure in our lives and we wouldn't actually be able to achieve anything it'll be like a body that had no bones or jelly and so saturn is us creating a new structure it’s saturn is us planning and working very hard to create a new paradigm in our lives and this is what saturn allows us to achieve.  So, next year from your birthday is very much about to head down and bump up working hard and doing all the hard work to plan for an epic new start that happens for you in 2018 when you start the brand new year of your 22-year cycle. 

 

Paul

Understood so 22 the beginning of 2018 is the beginning of my new cycle.

 

Natta

Your birthday

 

Paul

Oh right I see

 

Natta

So it's your birthday to birthday

 

Paul

Got you

 

Natta

From your birthday 2018 you you hit the beginning of your new 22-year cycle and you're going into a Mars cycle, which is very positive going because it's a very high-energy sign it’s a masculine sign and so it got a lot of proactive energy then so when we hit the new, it’s a great going to be in when you get into that new cycle because it allows you it’s a bit like rocket fuel.  So, essentially the structure that you set up, what you decide to do over the next couple of years, what you decide this year is your call in life, what you decide you want to invest your time and effort because saturn is about time next year and saturn is about effort.  So, if you’re imagining a little bit about making a movie before the actual release date at the cinema, you know, you've gotta have a plan to the movie, you've gotta write the script, you've got to get the actors, you gotta film and edit it and you know with sound, music and all that stuff, wardrobe and so if you see the next couple of years is deciding having a great decision of a path that you want to choose to follow and next year is about creating that archetype that structure that architecture that you need and then when you get to Mars, Oh sorry and so when you get to your Mars in 2018 when you hit your birthday that's when your guns blazing, that’s when you’re able to, you know, for example put the movie out of the cinema.  This is when you should have lined up all of your darks so that you've got a whole new life

 

Paul

And I'm ready to go gotcha

 

Natta

That’s right, you’re ready to go to use that energy as you know, sort of as wisely as possible.  So, the thing about the Mars energy is it can be a little bit volatile so sometimes when we go into that cycle if you imagine it a little bit like a rocket going into space that rocket has to be a bit volatile to be able to get the hype and to be able to get up there and much can be the same with the Mars cycle.  So, we can be a little bit sort of have this frantic, sort of frenetic energy at the time of getting things done but it's very positive it’s you know very highly charged time and we can achieve a lot so it's good that you've got the mars cycle starting that off for you because this allows it’s very positive sign for the next season that's coming for you of your life if you like

 

Paul

Great

 

Natta

And what would happen afterwards is the following years you’re go into a venus cycle in 2019 and when you go into the Venus cycle it’s good because this is the actual, this is how you're able to consolidate everything that you achieve to be a prior so because you've got that Venus there this is what gives you the grounding, this is what gives you the solid foundations andit's talking about the real harmonizing after period of great growth and development, so it’s  good, yeah. 

 

Paul

Ok, so it just kind of balances out the the venus, not the venus, venus year after ours did you say?  

 

Natta

So, this year is Pluto this is really when you should be focused about you know, sort of following this calling in life

 

Paul

Yes

 

Natta

Right, expect drawing a line in the sand, sort of living your life in an extraordinary way but you know chasing down this greater dream and saturn is about next year is about getting the architecture the structure in place working hard so that when you and also about said those two years what about detox but to be able to achieve a great and auspicious start in 2018 and you know, to follow your dream to follow your passion, you need to be able to make way for it, you need to be able to clear the dead wood first, so that's what these last, these next 2 couple of years are about, so by the time you get to 2018 you have this opportunity for dynamic great change in your life that given the next year when you go into Venus its stabilizing that for you.

 

Paul

So, all of these years Pluto, Mars, Venus are they applicable to everybody's age and it no matter what star sign they are no matter what

 

Natta

No, no,  so, it's, they run it their own cycle



Paul

Ok

 

Natta

They’re running the same sequence but they run at their own time so it's a 22-year cycle but it has nothing to do with your age. 

 

Paul

Got you

 

Natta

So, you could, so for example, you could be experiencing that… Pluto if you were that Pluto, the pluto year that you're in.  You could be experiencing it if you're 14.  You could be experiencing it if you're 84 it's all, you know, if you're 32 or it doesn't really matter, it depends when the actual person was born as to where that hit them.  So, it's different for everybody, yeah. 

 

Paul

Very cool

 

Natta

Yeah but it's interesting because when I see people I tend to see people in, in sorts of groups and so I see, normally what will happen is I see like maybe like 4 to 5 people who all around are the same grouping and then you know, sort of been a couple of months time that starts to change and I see like other little groups of people it’s quite interesting, yeah.  Also what happens is  you see, sometimes you see people with very similar astrology who come in very close, very close sort of timings to each other as well

 

Paul

Really they’re just drawn to each other

 

Natta

Yeah, yeah it’s quite interesting, yeah  and also you'll see in like when you have people who are friends are very close friends or family, often you'll see certain things that’s quite similar in their charts even though they're born on completely different times and years even, you know, they might be decades and decades apart but if they've got quite a close connection often you might see something, we were talking about a Kabala last week and a similar thing that happens in Kabala there are different life path in Kabala that workout in regard to peoples numerology and you very often see the people who are close, your family, your friends often have very similar life path numbers or you also look at past life numbers in that as well and if they haven't got a very similar life path number they'll have similar path life numbers as well, it’s quite interesting.  So, that's basically, so what we're just talking about their those I call them umbrellas and what we're just talking about there, they are an overview if you like, so that energy permeates with everything else within your chart.

 

Paul

Got you

 

Natta

Ok cool, so what we're going to… Do you have any questions? 

 

Paul

Not as yet, that sounds cool, that's like a little bit of an overview of as to… to me the way I read that is the next couple of years for me or up until 2018 is this exploratory time and then there's a consolidation and then there's a rebalancing almost.

 

Natta

That's right, absolutely so this year, you know if you are getting into sort of more esoteric stuffthen this year is a very very potent year for that because Pluto allows us to go to in meditation and stuff like that is very powerful this year because Pluto allows us to go to deeper depths than  anything else can.  So, when we experience the Pluto cycle in our lives, you know a lot of and a lot of soul-searching is you know sort of a very wonderful thing for us to we’re allowed to, we’re able to have allowed a lot of very profound insights.  So, it’s good, also when you go through a moon year, which you will be when you get to 2019 a moon year is also a very, very powerful and possible time to be delving into that more spiritual side of ourselves so we could talk about some of Pluto and Moon and Neptune years as being times when we accelerate our spiritual developments.

 

Paul

Got you

 

Natta

So, so, I'm just looking at your natal chart here now, so as we were talking about so the natal chart is static so it always stays the same and it's like a blueprint, really and so in a natal chart, you know, a natal chart can tell us a lot about people and when we tend to look at natal charts and the most important thing that we look at it is actually the connections between the planets, so what the planet are actually doing, so in astrology I know we talked about, you know because we’re very used to the magazine columns and we talked about the star signs and you know we’ll say Virgo or  you know, which were such aries or leo or what happy but as in astrology yeah they are important but actually what's more important is the planets astrology not many people are familiar with that.  So, the other thing is the  planets, the planets rule the star signs, so for example we'll just talk about your sun sign for a second because I know, you know sort of that’s  I said that's what most people are familiar with.  So, if we talk about your sun being in virgo it's actually mercury that rules virgo and as a matter of fact mercury rules libra as well but you do actually have a hell a lot of  libra in your chart so because you have your sun in virgo and you have a lot in libra it lets us know that the planet Mercury where it falls in your chart and what happens to mercury in your chart is very, very important it suddenly upgraded the planet mercury to possibly one of the most in some ways almost more important than your sun sign being virgo itself

 

Paul

Really

 

Natta

So, there are different ways in which there are many different types of astrology I should say so it’s a hundreds and hundreds of different types of astrology some are used today and some are not  and so the astrology that we're using I should say today is called Placidus Astrology and Placidus is talking about the way in calculations in which is worked out and it's the most common form that’s used in Australia today, most Austalians use Placidus Astrology and Western Astrology is quite different in the fact thatin Western Astrology as opposed to Eastern Astrology, Western Astrology we feel and believe that you have the power to change things so if there's something in your chart that is a challenge if there's something that seems quite turbulent if you like then and as people as manifestations of spirit and we have the power to be able to change that through manifestation and our will whereas in a lot of Eastern astrology so for example in Indian Vedic Astrology it's very fatalistic.  So, for example if you if you had a challenge rather serious challenge in your chart and a Vedic Astrology was looking at it there wouldn't really be a solution to working out that problem it would be like well it is  that so you have to kind of like to deal with it and so this is a big difference with the astrology that we use today. So, anyway, so, your chart, so when we have a look at somebody's chart you've got your sun sign so being that virgo it's in your first house and so your first house is very much about your identity, who you are and so when I say ego I mean ego in a good way and I mean ego in the sense of us developing ourselves as a person is in a positive fashion and this is where you have your virgo.  Now, you also have three, you've got three planets in your first house and so if we have three or more planets in a certain area of our chart it becomes very highlighted for it becomes a very potent place.  So, to have three planet and your sun in your first house it talks very much so about in this lifetime the need for you to be doing things that are going to develop your sense of who you are, your sense of identity.  Now, some people might say that, oh you know that, what about other people, what about, you know doing things for the greater good and what we would say with this is in many cases people who have this as a sequence in their charts, what they're doing is they're leading by example is by what they do in their lives and what they strive to achieve.  Others are able to see that and that empowers them in their lives.  Now, in your chart you've got this, you got this thing, which is what we call intersected houses so normally somebody will have their star signs in a very sort of neat sequence that fit perfectly within the chart and but depending upon the way you're born sometimes some people will have a sequence that doesn't quite fit that pattern, which is what yours does here.  Now, that's not really a problem at all and what it means is that you have a deficit and a surplus of energy in your chart though  and so in your first house, which is about your personality, which is also where your sun is and in your seventh house, which is about your commitments and your partnerships you have what we would call this intersection and this is where this deficit lies and so what this means is that your sense of self who you are and this great search for meaning in life and self development and also your relationships that you have with others are things that are late blooming and they develop a little bit later on in life for you and to have that there is actually quite good thing because it's a little bit like holding rocket fuel, so we hold rocket fuel for later on in life and so what we do is when we have this interception is that we basically we are able to bloomat a much more significant way when we get older.  So it's actually it's really good for you so the sense of self development in something that is only going to grow and become more profound for you and that will have a direct knock on to your relationships and the dynamics that you have within that as well and so this becomes great, great focal point the older you get. You've got your Saturn and also your Mercury in your first house as well and this is this level of, you know, sort of getting things done and being able to be quite the discipline with ourselves but also they’re in libra so a lot of this is backed your communication with other people.  How you interact with others and how much they play a very, very significant role in who you are and a lot of it is to do with, you know sort of it’s interesting that you're doing these interviews because it's mercury there so a lot of it is to do with this spoken word a lot of it is to do with how you communicate and how you process information and how you structure that, so you can pass it on to other people.   So, it's a lot about you and it's a lot about others that have big sequence there in your chartbecause you do have those three planets there we call that a stellium and where you have a stellium as I said it's essential focus.  So, in this lifetime focusing on self development is paramount for you and it's something that doesn't involve other people at some point as well because it has got some libra there.  So, it's self development through our experiences of the other and also because you've got Leo, we will call this an ascendant so your ascendant is your starting point of your chart and it's like the national date line if you like and your ascendant has a lot to do with your personality about how you, how other people interpret you and how you put yourself out there if you like and so yours is in Leo's so it's quite important to you with whatever you do that you are at the forefront of things, that's very important it's good that you're in a position where people are able to see you and be able to identify with what you're doing this that is very, very powerful for you.  You know Leo’s are very playful as well it's quite fun and it's got a very, very strong energy to it.  So, when we have a Leo ascendant it talks about us having a great verve for life if you like it’s a very enduring sign and it's so powerful so it is able to you know able to bounce back from anything quite well as well, so it’s a good sign to have there.  Your second house plays a very big part in your chart as well, so your second house has also got a stellium in it and again they’re all in libra.  So, you have five planets in libra, so your relationships with others are very important, this sense of harmony, this sense of dynamics, this sense of a deeper union or a deeper connection is always going to be very important for you this sense of sort of a divine justice if you like it's very important and you've got as we’re saying you’ve got three planets that sit on your  second house as well and, sorry the charge has gone black, a second. 


Paul

Yeah, it’s okay

 

Natta

So, you've got these three other planets that sit there as well, Jupiter, Pluto and your Venus sit there and so having those three there are very powerful first for all Jupiter is what we call the great beneficent and so wherever we have jupiter in our chart is a very lucky area for us.  Jupiter is you know, the bringer of abundance and great fortune and so to have Jupiter on your 2nd chart is very positive because Jupiter, your second house is very much this area of your chart, which we call your second house is very much about of your skills and just said self-worth and your sense of what you earn in a kind of material sense and your work that's what we would call one of your work houses.  So, it's very beneficial that you so much Jupiter there and because you've got so much Libra there, anything that you do in relation to your work with other people is very, very important.  So, you know even if you're very independent and you know sort of you work freelance for example, your connections with somebody else it’s very is you know, always going to be a key thing. 

 

Paul

I see

 

Natta

Because you have Jupiter there it’s quite lucky, you know, it’s what we were talking about earlier it's always, you know, you always fall on your feet wherever you have Jupiter and it's good to have in a work house basically because it's a sign of abundance and because you've got Pluto there.  Pluto there is a great transformer, so you would experience some of your greatest transformations in life through your working partnership and and also what you do with your work.  So, when we talk about work it doesn't, it doesn't necessarily, it's not necessarily talking about you know, how we make money we're talking about in a greater scheme here because Pluto is about again about that deeper meaning.  So, rather than work, you know we should really be calling your vocation if you like we’ve also got Venus there so it's harmonizing things it’s bringing a lot of beauty into your life, so it's very good to have your venus there in your second house because it also talks about potentially how you can have a, you know sort of even romantic type of relationships through people that you make in relation to what you're doing and what your interests are like. With your Venus there as well, Venus is also we call it the lesser beneficent and venus is also about abundance too.  So, the fact that there are there are both kind of sandwich in your pluto is it’s very positive sign of great transformation that comes into your life through that working arena.  Your, in your third house you have Uranus and so our third house talks about lot of our communication but it also talks about our childhood as well and this is talking about our sense of great and a need for great independence that you have particularly as it is in Scorpio, you know, Scorpio is a need for a deeper meaning in life our soul searching if you like and it's where we have our great transformation as well and because you have Uranusthere, we would say that you know there's a lot of stuff that you still need to sort of investigate or if you like go back and have a look at childhood, you know do some inner child work there's a lot of clues and you know a lot of keys that are there in your childhood that if you go back and do some of the child work can unlock great potential within you.  So, you know, Uranus is the need for us to liberate ourselves to, you know sort of go to extremes if you like.  In your fourth house you've got your Neptune in Sagittarius, which your fourth house is more so about your home and so this is talking about how it would be wonderful for you to go travelling, you know sort of live abroad this sort of thing.  Have you lived in abroad before?

 

Paul

I have lived abroad and actually myself and my fiancé have discussed living abroad again in the very near future if there isn't anything that came about

 

Natta

There you go.  So, this is a very powerful thing for you to do in your chart.  And does your fiancé share the same kind of interests as you when it comes to the esoteric topic thing? 

 

Paul

I would not say that she’s as immersed in it as I am like she's definitely open minded and she supports my exploration of them

 

Natta

Beautiful, okay, that's great alright.  So, yeah, that Neptune is a very potent thing, so I mean, you know, also the other thing is that your Neptune reaches up and it connects into another area of your chart, which is about travel as well, of your night house, which is where we have Chiron and so Chiron we call it a wounded healer, whenever we have chiron in our chart, when we're following our chiron it leads not only two our great healing within ourselves that enables us to help a lot of other people as well and it also is a lot about education and I lot about teaching.  So, to have Chiron in your night passes is a very, very powerful position to have it in, it's also about tourist, it also sits in tourists I should say so it’s also something that you know, you could take that work abroad with you as well and that would be a very positive thing and it would help a lot of people.  So, now, you've got your moon in your sixth house and it's an Aquarius so our moon, as I was saying I think earlier.  Our moon is more so who we are it's ourself and so your moon and your six house is interesting because you sixth house is actually ruled by that Virgo sun, so there’s definitely a strong correlation between who you are as of the moment and we saw the direction in which you're going there is a very strong connection with that, so that's very positive thing to seebut where your moon seats in the Aquarius is this great need for independence, you know, it is great need to sort of dance the beat of your own drum but it is in your 6th house and so your 6th house very much about working with other people as well and it's about being structured to actually get things done when we structured with that moon in that sixth house we're able to reach a very wide audience and we're able to experience and go to places that we never dreamed of before.  So, it's nice that you have that in Aquarius because we call the sign of Aquarius sign of wishes and so it's very, very powerful sign about manifestation

 

Paul

And what part of… could you just re-explain what part of my life this is actually applicable in? 

 

Natta

Yeah so so your moon is about those are what I’m saying, so your moon and your sun are connected and your moon is very much about who you are and your sun is about the direction in which you’re head.  Your moon also makes a very nice connection to what we call your north node, which I was to talk about next anyway and soyour north node in astrology is basically why you're here, what your great purposes in this lifetime and so your North nose is in the house that rules spirituality and the house that rules, you know this greater search this greater meaning in life in this great synthesis between life and the universe and other people it's what we would call the trends in a transpersonal area of your chart and so transpersonal area no longer is about us, it’s no longer even about our community it's a greater grand scheme of things in life.  So, your north node is in Leo, so, you know it's important for you because you've got your mars in leo as well.  So, you know, your north node, so the older you get so a north node is not necessarily something that we feel very easy with and sometimes it can be a bit of a challenge but north node is something that we're always heading towards and so as much as we have a north node, which is the direction in which we’re headed.  We also have a south node, which is the direction in which were coming from, which is very much based in past lives and very much based on our comfort zones as well.  So, your north node is heading towards a lot more creative place, so creativity is very, very strong for you, your spiritual path is very strong for you and these are things that you really should be focused on in this lifetime.  Being a little bit more abstract is important for you because it was all in leo it means that you need to be a face to this.  So, say for example if we said Sarah Wilson most of us would think about, “I quit sugar”, you know if we said Richard Branson, you know we don't have to say his businesswe already can think airplanes and music and we think virgin.   And so to have Leo there in your North node it's saying that along your part of what you should be doing in this lifetime to be able to delve greater into that most spiritual side of yourself, to be able to reach a great audience, to be able to fulfill your role you need to put yourself forward as a… as an identity, it’s important, they have put themselves forward and the face of something as an identity that's very important for you and that grows and grows as you get older. 

 

Paul

It’s really interesting that you mention that because there's been this, I've includes, so many different interests when it comes to health, vitality in terms of on the physical plane but also in esoteric plane and sometimes I’m torn between what to explore what to focus on whether it's the physical aspects of health and well-being or the more esoteric metaphysical aspect. 

 

Natta

Well, the, to be honest with you because you've got your south node in your sixth house, which is ruled by virgo because you've got your sixth, you know the health actually comes quite naturally to you, the more physical, I’m talking abouthere.  The physical side is something that comes quite naturally to you and it's really fabulous and it's something that you can always incorporate into stuffand it’s definitely not something that you need to, you know sort of  have cut off and quarterized by any means but it is something that the more esoteric side of things is a lot more what you should be headed towards with your north node because the physical and spiritual sit at very different they sit at complete polarities to each other and your south node are in astrology they set a complete polarity to one another, you’ll find that in kabala as well and your south node, which is your comfort zone where you’ve come from, what you're naturally skilled in is that physical sense

 

Paul

It’s nice to know

 

Natta

Is that more, you know health sense as it you were saying but the esoteric, the spiritual, the more abstract, so it's moving away from the more, the more sort of concrete idea of things, you know.  Health, the idea of health, you know it's obviously incredibly important, you know, to have a good grounding and to have a good physical health but we could in some way say that, that is a little bit more or less abstract than the esoteric, you know it can be hard to grasp the esoteric in some ways can be a little bit more lucid and and this is what you need to be headed towards, this is what your, the direction in which your north node goes.  

 

Paul

If I can interject for a moment just to, just give you an example of how my, how my past has played out, which has been my extreme interest in the physical health during my light teens into my twenties so much so that I made it a career for myself in the physical training and fitness paradigm or role and during my set and return in retrospect, now that I look back at it I became so fascinated in the mind-body slightly more esoteric realm and it's just being something that has taken me ever since and I've had, like I’ve said this, I don't want to use the word struggle but just to switching between hats between that physical and esoteric realm has kind of pursued. 

 

Natta

Well, I mean, I said it’s, you know, it's not something that you need to cauterize it’s something that you can very much integrate, you know for an example, you know if we think about the chakra system, you know the chakra system is more esoteric look at the physical body, you know for example in Kabbalah there’s a thing called the tree of life and there are many different chakra systems and the tree of life it's known in some, in some ways, in some cases it’s known as Adam Kadmon and Adam Kadmon is known as universal man and that is the Kabbalah’s version of the chakra system and it's used much in the same way the chakra system is for sort of healing at a sort of deeper esoteric level, you know.  Astrology is related to all sorts of parts of the body, you know herbs and crystals, which are related to astrology are again related to all different parts of the body.  So, there's, you know, there's many ways in which the two merge there’s an old esoteric accent that says as above so below, you know there's the microcosm and the macrocosm so you know, what is out there in the universe is very much within our bodies.  So the two are actually very combined and but in your chart here there is that pull towards that more esoteric side because you already actually, you know we could talk about if we're having a sort of most of  your past-life regression astrology, which is as I was saying there’s hundreds of different types of astrology and past life astrology is a whole entire strand of its own and we’re just talking about that briefly for you to have your south node in your sixth house, you know and very close connection to your moon.  We would say that, you know  in lifetimes come by, you know, you would have probably been involved in physical healing and so these are gifts that you would have pulled over into this life but for you this lifetime is more so about that esoteric that greater esoteric search.  You know, the other thing for you is that you've got, when we talk about, you know, when we’re having this epiphany when you had your saturn return, your saturn, normally what happens is our epiphany, our saturn return happens in the area of our chart where our saturn is in our birth chart and so your saturn sits in your natal chart in your birth chart in your first house.  So, again, so this is an epiphany about ourselves about and the need to focus on self-development and so if we think about the ego, the ego is a little bit more psychological it’s not so much necessarily physical thing and because your Saturn is in an air sign it's not in an earth sign it would indicate these sort of higher philosophies coming to play with that same in return rather than necessarily the physical things as much.  So, you know that actually, you know sort of takes president's there when you hit your saturn return.  You know, when people talk about having a seven, you know, when you will talk about, you know they're in a relationship and they have a seven-year each that is actually an astrological term and it's in relation to the saturn cycles.  There’s a lot of terms that are used in everyday language that are actually astrological terms that being one of them.  So, when we have our Saturn Return it's like we have a very big seven-year itch and we feel as though we need a dynamic change in our life and so that's what you went through there and being in libra, you know a lot of it is going to be you know libra’s linked to Venus and so it's matters of the heart that come upand it’s  but it's also air so it’s also a little bit more cerebral if you like as well rather than the physical sense of things.  Do you have any questions?

 

Paul

So many that are, look there was,  there were a lot of signs thrown out there at various different points in my cycle in my life so I'm just trying to kind of absorb it all but a lot of it did resonate with me I did meet my partner in the workplace.  There were quite a few things that really, really sunk in deep for me butobviously the natural skeptic in me is almost, also saying like you said before with magazine astrology I can just sink into saying “oh yeah, that fits into my life because I'm allowing it to fit into my life but it all does kind of resonate quite nicely with me especially what you were discussing about my my north node.

 

Natta

Well, the north is very important part in our lives and really a lot more, you know astrology should focus a lot more on the north node in many ways almost than our Sun, you know it is a very, very important part.  So, talking about your secondary progression now, so we're talking about a different chart now, so your second progression is as I mentioned prior is when we take your planet of your natal chart and we move them forward in time so it's more progressive ones for the second progression and so in your secondary progression what we look at is mainly your moon but also what I mention is about your sun sign.  So, you know how, you’re virgo, right?

 

Paul

Yes

 

Natta

Okay, so you were, so each sign in someone’s astrology has 30 degrees.  Now, you were born a sign, so there are 30 degrees of virgo, there would be 30 degrees of libra ecetera, etcetera…  So, when you were born, you were born at 17 degrees virgo, so that means that when you were, when you let's see, let's see, when you were 13 years old, you stopped really becoming a virgo when you were 13 years old and you became a libra and so for the last, the last 22 years you’ve actually been a libra. Yes because what happens is there are sun sign progresses and changes every 30 years its got nothing to do with how old we are because it runs at its own pace its got to do with what degree you’re born at.  So, your you moon, your sun, sorry… so, your sun sign has now been in libra for the last 22 years and so when our sun sign changes every 30 years it’sa very big thing for us and also when our Sun Sign move houses, so there’s twelve houses in astrology that dictate what certain areas of our life are affected for example we have workhouses, love houses, you know sort of family orientated houses this sort of thing and so when your sun changes houses as well it’s a very big thing too.  So, your sun has been in libra for the last 22 years so, your focus is a lot more on harmonizing things, it's a lot more relationship-based it's a lot more around sort of making things right if you like it's sort of greater set of cosmic law. So, also the other thing is that your sun normally is in your first house, which we talked about is your the sense, this sense of persona, this sense of identity but your sun is actually moved and your sun is in your 12th house now, which is again about those higher spiritual aspirationand it moved over there five years ago

 

Paul

Okay, that is interesting

 

Natta

Yeah, so it moved over there five years ago and and it will be there, you know, if will be there for quite a long time.  So, in eight years time your sun sign will change again and you will be into scorpio and so in eight years time when we go when our sun is in Scorpio it's the most profound experiences we can have in our lives when were in scorpio since there's a lot of very dynamic changes, there's a lot of very profound relationships that we have in our lives and it's that time of great soul searching and so there's a big shift that happens in eight years time for you when you go into that scorpio.

 

Paul

Okay, looking forward to it

 

Natta

So a big life-changing events for you and so then when you are older then eventually you're going to Sagittarius,  so when we go into Sagittarius in later years we find, you know, this is where we see people, you know, when they're in their retirement and they, you know, suddenly decide and go travel the world, they you know, they sort of go all of a sudden and get very adventurous this sort of thing or they sort of kind of be very spiritual or they end up teaching when they're older as well.  So that's quite an interesting sign to sort of have your twilight years in quite fun one.  So, anyway  the moon in your chart here your moon is your most important thing that you need to focus on in your secondary progression chart and within the next couple of months, so it takes two and a half years whereas we talked about the sun took 30 years your moon takes two and a half years to move through a sign and it also takes two and a half years to move to a different area of your chart and I'm just gonna I'm just actually going to move your chart I'm just actually just going to fill around in the computer for a second

 

Paul

Go for it

 

Natta

And move your chart forward in time because that is actually having a change for you quite soon.  When you get February your moon would have moved sign and it would have also moved area of your chart so whereas the moment your moon is in your house of commitment.  So, relationships of commitment have been a big focus over the last couple of years and also because your chirons been there it talks about a lot of healing that's been going on in relation to that and a lot of deep learning in a more sort of deeper soul-searching way.  Your moon is in Gemini now it's just about to moves over into Gemini now and it's about to move into your house of great transformation.  So, Gemini is very much about communication and it's about learning things about the information that we gather and how we decimate that, you know sort of seminate that I should say to other people and it's also about how you know our thinking and our mind goes through a lot of changes what we're learning changes our life.  So, over the next couple of years, whatever you decide to learn, whatever you decide to focus on is very life changing for you and if I was you I would be taking that information and I'll be passing that on to other people, I think it's very important for you but more so than anything in relation to that it's more about the changes that you go through in yourself in a more how you see the world as your mind it’s your own personal changes that you go through there’s a big factor there

 

Paul

It’s, I find that fascinating the… I guess the direct precision that you've chosen to use the transition for February I'm actually getting married on January 29 and

 

Natta

Oh coincidence

 

Paul

Thank you, thank you and thank you very much but the focus of this previous cycles has been on relationships and not that I'm not going to be focusing on relationships afterwards but I find it interesting that it comes to a head towards the end, I don’t know

 

Natta

Absolutely, well the thing is Gemini, you know the shape of Gemini is all, I'm just going to sorry, I’m just going to quickly grab my battery charger

 

Paul

Yeah, go for it

 

Natta

So, this you might have to edit out…  right… hold on… 2 secs… hold on, sorry give me a second it’s all tangled

 

Paul

It’s okay, take your time…  I like your scarf in the background there

 

Natta

Oh, thanks!  Anyway, oh so, I just put out again, hold on, alright, there you go, it’s charging

 

Paul

Back we go



Natta

Oh yes, I was just going to say the other thing about your Gemini, so Gemini,  the   symbol for Gemini is which most people are familiar with but the symbol for Gemini is like two twins or two people being together

 

Paul

Yes

 

Natta

And so Gemini, Gemini is very much about union and a natural fact in tarot Gemini's is what was the lovers card.  So, it's very much heavily about this idea of union and so when your moon, where your moon has been it's been in your 7th house of commitment and so love, commitment and what becomes of that commitment are three very, very different areas in astrology they're not the same at all

 

Paul

Okay

 

Natta

And so your moon has been for the last couple of years sitting in your commitment sector and then just as you get married there your moon takes over into Gemini, which is about union, which is nice it takes over into gemini into your house which is about what happens to the union.  So, that's a very positive sign to see it’s a very, very auspicious sign to see particularly as it's actually on that juncture

 

Paul

Absolutely

 

Natta

Yeah, so, so that's you know, that's incredibly powerful and it's great that it's moved into that next sign there because that next area of your chart where the moon is now going into is ruled by Pluto and it's a sign of enriching, it’s a sign of great transformations that we bring into each other's lives, it’s a sign of a very, very deep soul bond

 

Paul

Beautiful


Natta

So it's yeah, it's very positive way

 

Paul

Amazing

 

Natta

Yeah, so yeah, so your moon is the most important thing for you to be focusing on really because it's where your happiness is, so you mean your happiness

 

Paul

Natta we are drawing up in the, towards the end I know it’s so much to get through but could we use perhaps the next five minutes to perhaps tie things up and see how we're going, I don't know how, how much further we got here but

 

Natta

Let me, let me just, let me just very quickly tell you about your solar return.  So your solar return I was mentioning that your solar return is where… is what we focus on every year, so it's like your goals if you like, you need to be focused on.  So the main thing here is we always focus on our sun and your sun is always going to be in virgo because that's where it is natally but we have a look a lot at the house where it’s at and your sun is actually in your house of commitment.

 

Paul

Nice

 

Natta

So, it’s all the relationship is paramount for you and that where all  the focus goes, which is beautiful

 

Paul

Very beautiful

 

Natta

Yeah, so it’s nice

 

Paul

And I take it that there we have different focus every year for each person each


 

Natta

That’s right, for your solar return, yes for your solar return you'll have a different focus every year and for every person it will be different, that's right, yes.

 

Paul

Now if I would ask you what advice you have to give people from you're experience in guiding people in the past, something that people could do today that they could really, really create a greater sense of clarity in who they are not necessarily according to their birth charts or whatever it might be but something to empower them today on a daily basis what would you, what would you give them advice wise?

 

Natta

I think the main thing is, is that really is that they need to not so much think about something but they need to physically do it.  So, this is, you know a lot of people can spend a lot of time sort of getting lost or always getting paralyzed in this idea of sort of planning things out or thinking to do things and that can be a very big problem with people these days also the other things that it’s very, very challenging to sort of a lot of people tend to think when they're sort of working on themselves in a spiritual fashion that, you know they need to get heavily into esoteric stuff but in actually what they need to do  before they can really reach those esoteric heights is they need to be a little bit more grounded first because it's very hard to delve into those new more spiritual side if you haven't actually got your foundations quite solid.  So, things like meditation are really great that sort of thing and a lot of people can be put off by the idea of meditating by sitting there, you know sort of un-bumming type of thing but really it can be whatever is for you, you know for some person it might be painting, for another person it might be cooking, for another person it might be going and you know sitting in the garden.  So I think it's very important that people for comfortable and confident to be able to meditate in whichever way they feel is good for them wrapped in kind of sort of being boxed into this idea of what they should be doing, you know

 

Paul

I couldn’t agree more

 

Natta

Yeah, so it's a very, it's a very personal thing.  Also what I'd suggest is everybody is into astrology then they should, what they should do rather than, rather than sort of reading their magazines that they read I would suggest that either they have a look at a magazine called the “Mountain Astrologer”, which is a fabulous professional astrology magazine or they and have a look at some good actual astrology books and there's a fabulous book and it's called “Astrology For Yourself” by Demetra George and that's, that's a fantastic book to have


 

Paul

Amazing, I’ll put that in the show notes

 

Natta

Yeah and so there’s you know, so there's the different things that people can do, I mean going and seeing the astrology would be very helpful because then actually sort of gives them a greater idea about their chart

 

Paul

Speaking of which I'd love to be able to get your contact details, your Facebook page and your website perhaps that we can, that we can extend to the audience. So, what is the website Natta?

 

Natta

So, it’s my website is NattaJain so it’s N, A, T, T, A, J, A, I, N  dot com, so it’s NattaJain.com  and you can find me on Facebook unto that and Instagram as well

 

Paul

And what type of services are offered through you Natta?

 

Natta

So, I do astrology readings also I also as well as astrology readings I also paint, I'm an artist so I also hand paint and so I embroider people's astrology charts if they want to something that's a little bit more special as a gift

 

Paul

Beautiful

 

Natta

I make astrological t’s based up around people's astrology whether it is their natal chart or whatever astrological transit they're going through that year, I do tarot, I do palmistry and heeleaf reading and I work a lot with crystals and color, I also do Lithomancy, which is a very old art, which is reaching with crystals and I read with stick that could Ogham Staves, which is a very traditional English way of reading and we read with sacred woods

 

Paul

Wow



Natta

So, I read all of that and I teach all of these as well.  So, I have regular classes where I teach people and I teach workshops

 

Paul

Really

 

Natta

Workshops on things like crystals,  different types of archetypes of Goddesses this sort of thing and I also teach regular tarot classes and astrology as well

 

Paul

And they're all up in your website are they? 

 

Natta

Yeah, yeah and then I'm,  I'm kind of like update things and change them and stuff like that, yeah

 

Paul

You know, I actually had a kinesiology efficient session yesterday with an amazing healer and she used a, she used a crystal I can't recall the exact name but she was clearing out my third eye it was almost like a tool to scrape out some of the… lack of a better word gunk that are clogged up and it was, this crystal was 10 inches as far as my senses were concerned it was actually in contact with the back of my scalp but and I asked her whether it was in contact with my scalp but it was actually 10 inches away, it was just a, it was such a powerful physical experience for me how it manifested it was quite amazing so crystals I’ll say first hand I’ve had some pretty powerful experiences

 

Natta

Yes they are very powerful I mean actually for healing there’s also some different crystals that are very good for healing a lot of Reiki practitioners and healers will use things like pink calcite, which is very, very good in healing and tektite is very good it’s a Blackstone, tektites are very good because it absorbs a lot of negative energy and also labradorite is very good for healing

 

Paul

Labradorite


Natta

Labradorite is used a lot in shamanic cultures they use labradorite in their healing tools and if you're recovering from something so if you're fulfilling something, you know sort of if you've been, you know something under the weather for a little while and then having amber in the bed is very good, you know so having a little piece of amber because amber is very good with recovery.  So, you know so all of these stones much like the herbs, much like the flower essences they all work on subtle levels.  So, they're helping in maybe not so much sort of obvious ways and that we were thinking of western medicines but they're helping in,  they're helping in some sort of more subtle ways and they’re very powerful actually though

 

Paul

Natta we’d like to have you back on the show to talk about all things crystals and all these because I really do, I love this area, so we’ll have to break this interview up into another couple if your own to come again

 

Natta

Sure, absolutely, that sounds great

 

Paul

I want to thank you so much for coming on the show that’s been fascinated with so much in that chart for me to chew on so I really do appreciate it

 

Natta

My pleasure, thank you for having me here it’s been a lovely experience

 

Paul

Incredible experience and thank you once again Natta

 

Natta

My pleasure have a lovely day

 

Paul

How good was that guys?  Some of the stuff she was talking about with me, my personalities and things that I’ve been through in the recent past have been pretty spot on.  Thank You once again Natta and I can’t wait to have another chat to you.  Take care guys be kind to each other.





 

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Show Notes

 

Mountain Astrologer Magazine

Astrology For Yourself by Demetra George